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United States
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Quote:The worst part is considering putting ebay on a similar status. That's true, Dave, yet in the coin department, ebay's been going downhill for years now. They say no more copies, yet if one does a search for "COPY" under coins, well over a thousand hits pop up. While I'm no fan of Ali's fake coins, they do offer coin supplies and a wide variety of other products at competitive prices. I'll bet that many of their coin copies, at least sold by Ali as such, have wound up on ebay; this, as I suspect the subject "coin" of this thread may have been. The lettering in the legend is quite similar, methinks. |
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Puerto Rico
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Red flag. Why the weight is not disclosed on the listing if the seller says the coin has been weighed and is spot on?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Someone who isn't looking too closely at that one would probably bid, but not at the $999 start. Hopefully it will stay there.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
506 Posts |
Can someone please tell me what immediately makes this look fake?
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Russian Federation
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modern nickel fake. [URL="http://fastpic.ru/]  [/URL] |
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 United States
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Can someone please tell me what immediately makes this look fake?
In my case - as well as everyone else who's offered an opinion - it's the thousands of them we've already looked at which make this one stand out. All the detail is close - it's a pretty good fake - but nothing's right on it, especially the stars. |
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United States
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Additionally, look at the "feet" of the letters in the legend "United States of America." They are not as much flat or level as they are cloven, like hooves. If this coin was genuine, would the BIN price be so low? Any respectable dealer would have paid that BIN for a genuine, apparently XF 1795 coin, and the seller could thereby save time and fees. Why is it not certified?
As Dave points out, this is a pretty good looking fake, and it may even have silver within, like the ones that Ali sells. It sure resembles those, but I was not allowed to post a link to that website; this, per CCF policy.
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United States
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Can someone please tell me what immediately makes this look fake? I could tell that it was a fake just at first glance. It just has THAT look we have seen over and over again, as SD pointed out. Virtually all of them have the same XF-ish wear and tear appearance. I have an example of this particular fake coin in my possession, as well as many other dates. I bought these in order to learn the differences between genuine and counterfeit silver dollars. I have attached pictures below. It weighs 20.34 grams and has a 38.74 mm diameter. It is a very good fake. At least mine has the word "COPY" stamped on the back. I bought all my "copy" coins on Amazon.com. I know some would frown upon buying these for any reason, but they have been a tremendous tool in helping me learn to spot fakes on ebay, which is virtually the only place I shop for coins. Compare/contrast mine with the one in the auction:   Edited by Darth Morgan
09/02/2014 12:40 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Oh My Gosh- someone just bought it for the BIN price of $1895.00! I paid $1.90 for mine. So sad.   I just noticed that this seller appears to have the same 18% gray background that I use for my photographs. I can assure you that this isn't me.  I go by darth_underoo on ebay. I only say this because I know we have some wicked smart coin detectives on CCF.  EDIT: Added a combined photo for better comparison:  It is also important to note that not all of these fake bust silver dollars are identical. Some have more wear that others and sometimes the spacing of the letters and dates is considerably different from coin to coin. Edited by Darth Morgan
09/02/2014 12:41 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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What I do walk away from it with is that for what are some common landmarks, there are far more differences between these two coins than similarities. How few coins did they strike per die? Seems a lot of work to make so many dies for fakes.
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United States
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there are far more differences between these two coins than similarities. That is correct. I have multiples of this one coin, and no two are exactly alike. Some are VERY weakly struck, and others have much sharper details, which still only amount to XF. From what I can see, the spacing of the numbers in the dates vary quite a bit, as well as the position of the date. I have yet to see one of these coins that look minty fresh, so I theorize that the dies themselves are created much "weaker" than a brand new mint die. But that's just a thought. |
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United States
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I just noticed that the 2 stars to the left of "L" in LIBERTY are completely different from the stars in the auction photo. I'm going to pull my other ones to see if I can find one that matches the ebay coin in this regard. EDIT: OK, For the sake of interest, I've added a comparison photo of 2 1796 coins and a 1797. The 1797 fake has stars that more closely resemble those of the ebay coin. I checked all the 1795 coins, and they all have the same 2 wider stars to the left of the "L" in LIBERTY. Some of the 1796 coins also have these, but some appear more like the 1797. If you look at the 4:00 position on all three coins, you can actually see what appears to be a die crack progression getting worse over time. The 1797 was made from a different die, of course, but this appears to be a problem in the manufacturing of these counterfeits. Maybe this is a common weak spot on the dies from uneven pressure during the striking process? I ask this because the strike quality is all over the place on these things.  close-up of die cracks:  Edited by Darth Morgan
09/02/2014 01:50 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10045 Posts |
One thing I noticed--a 1795 dollar shouldn't look like it was struck in a collar.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4692 Posts |
Someone just paid a lot of money for a fake. What do the TPGs do when a fake is submitted?
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Pillar of the Community
861 Posts |
The counterfeit Koin in the auction is known as the "Dracula", and can easily be identified by the 2 fang marks on Lady Liberty's neck.
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