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I suppose there is argument that the practice is what drives costs and therefore prices up but my personal feeling is that if quality standards are raised there would be less need for doing this.
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Pillar of the Community
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Not to sound marxist or anything because I am not one, but it is the fault of the mint to make unfairly struck coins in such a perfect set. They should set their tolerances much lower for proof sets.
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I suppose there is argument that the practice is what drives costs and therefore prices up but my personal feeling is that if quality standards are raised there would be less need for doing this. ABSOLUTELY! But I should add that this set quality is an a definite outlier. I have ordered MANY. MANY sets from the Mint over the last 20 years and I have never seen such issues with collector coins. I have ordered 30 2006 Annie sets, 20 of the 2011 25th Annie sets, MANY proof and SE sets, MANY 5 ounce P pucks and I never considered sending ANY of them back. Something has recently changed for the bad..... |
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Pillar of the Community
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to address the excuse that "other people do it", as my dad used to say... if your friend jumps off a bridge, you going to do it too?
because others do it, is no excuse for the unethical behavior..
Let me know who the other dealers are who do this, so I know not to buy from them. No reason for me to reward them for their deception.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I feel there is no problem with doing this, swapping out the bad coins and keeping the good sets.
It could be the mint is allowing this to happen, because it is cheaper then hiring a team of full time
inspectors to check the quality of every coin.
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A smart dealer has already done that for you. "These sets are x-dollars each; however, this one is 3x-dollars. Quote:
Let me know who the other dealers are who do this, so I know not to buy from them. No reason for me to reward them for their deception. Seriously ? This is what people do on a daily basis. This is what keeps the TPG's in business. You get ten sets, send them all in to PCGS, NGC, ANACs, take all the 70's sell them as one set for xxxx dollars. Take the 69's make a set out of those and sell them for xxx dollars. Take the rest and sell them in raw sets for xx dollars. Your saying that any dealer who does that is unethical and undeserving of being in business. They should just keep the coins all together and sell them in mixed sets of 70's, 69's 68's and 67's for whatever they can get to be ethical ? |
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There's kind of two minds at play here: one that mixes up sets with the intent of keeping/selling the resulting sets and another that makes one "choice" set and then returns the rest to the mint. In my personal opinion, the former group is okay; the latter is on the dishonest side of things.
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In other words, it's appropriate to blame and cost the customer for the manufacturer's inability to achieve consistent quality control.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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They should have vapor blasted the unc so it would be as perfect as the 5 oz P pucks always are. Order an Everglades P if you want to see what a great looking and perfect quality coin looks like.
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Pillar of the Community
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I am enjoying this lively conversation but I find it interesting how it keeps wandering away from my original question of...is it ok to order five sets, with the express intent of sending four back and cherry picking through the five sets to get one set of the best coins. What I was NOT asking was is it ok to send back below acceptable sets. I totally agree with everyone who feels that if a set has below par quality it should be sent back...no argument there. What I question is the mindset of someone who man handles a bunch of sets with no intent at all of keeping them except for the best of the group. Feels a bit greedy and self centered.
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Pillar of the Community
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with no intent at all of keeping them With that said I would say, yes, unethical....you're correct...the thread has morphed into another beast that sometimes clashes with common sense. But...it's interesting to see how others act in similar situations.. I ordered my sets with the absolute intention of keeping them all. It did not turn out that way. ..disappointed? Yes...major sleep losing event? Nope... |
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm not particularly thrilled with how the Enhanced JFK's turned out. If I could, I'd return just those and keep the rest.  Unlike the Enhanced coins, the Reverse Proofs are up to " ASE" standards. And all my Proof "P" and Uncirculated "D" JFK's are good  . That said, all on my Enhanced coins look the same and have no glaring flaws, so ethics would compel me to keep them.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote:Unlike the Enhanced coins, the Reverse Proofs are up to " ASE" standards I thought so but: My 5 sets (20 coins) were sent to NGC for grading. I received (5) 69's and (15) 70's back...4 of those 5 were the RP's and the other was a EU...so while 15/20 is pretty darn good I only got one complete set out of the bunch (and the EU graded SP69-PL) |
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Pillar of the Community
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"Up to ASE standards" in general visual appeal, not necessarily grading. The Enhanced JFK's fields are just plain not as visually appealing as the 2013-W Enhanced ASE (IMHO), even if the JFK grades a 70. Congrats on the fifteen 70's, Foxwoods Man, and it does figure the Reverse Proofs would be the hardest to get a 70 for (short die life and all)... Edited by DNA
11/26/2014 7:07 pm
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New Member
United States
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This thread is just silly, is it unethical to buy something on the internet and not pay taxes for it, do you pay the government on everything you sell, even to your friends on a handshake. Do you run the red light at night when there is no cop and you've been sitting there what feels like forever... If the U.S. Mint were really concerned about this issue
they would have come up with a way not to allow it, say have all the coins inside of one sealed case etc. They DON'T care, honestly. They are turning chunks of metal into products people eat up at way over cost of melt and production. They will just melt them and turn them into the next shiny coin for millions to spend money on. And for everyone out there drawing the correlation that cheating the govenment some is wholly equal to being an unscrupulous person is just completely ridiculous. Do You live in a cut and dry, black and white world only? Is it the same to steal some bread if you are hungry as it is to rob a bank? Don't be so silly. Even if you ordered the five sets to swap 'em around and send four back, guess what, your fine. On judgement day god isn't sending you to hades over it, relax. The feds aren't sending guys in black suits after ya for it either. :-)
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Posted 11/16/2014 1:42 pm
