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1885 Morgan Dollar- ANACS MS-64

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 Posted 01/05/2015  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorganGrader to your friends list
If the underlying luster is good and the surfaces are nice, given that you only paid $45 for it, I might consider it a crack and dip candidate for my album, but that's just me. A 63-64 just has no place in my sets, only in my albums. :)

To each their own, I figured you were probably a YN, and I noticed you doing the same thing as I when I started out in this hobby. Focusing on bargains... I learned the hard way about the downsides of that strategy.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list
Wow. I'd take a 63 and certainly a 64 any day. You must have some really high quality coins.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
This is easy, then. It *might* be construed as a mistake, but you're not going to lose a penny on it. Now, for punishment: you gotta VAM it.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list

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Now, for punishment: you gotta VAM it.


Noooo!! I'm actually pretty horrible at it, but I'll take my shot at it. If not, then I'll seek you and other dave's help.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorganGrader to your friends list

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Wow. I'd take a 63 and certainly a 64 any day. You must have some really high quality coins.


I will take a 64 with superior eye appeal over a 65, but most of my Morgans in my year set are 65 or better, with decent eye appeal. The minimum grade I'm going for is 64+ with the exception of a couple years.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
Crack it. Dip it. There may be some nice underlying luster.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list
Ho do I go about dipping without harming the coin?
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 Posted 01/05/2015  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
I'm getting ready to dip my first coin, albeit a bu Washington quarter.....not as nice as your coin. The EZEST is in the mail right now. From all I have read on the subject, a 2 second dip is plenty the first time. If you have never done it before, would probably suggest a lesser coin the first time. More info over on the Main Coin Forum. This is a touchy subject, but there are some coins that do qualify to be dipped. Hope this helps.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorganGrader to your friends list
E-Z-EST is way too strong for 99% of coins without dilution, for what it is worth. I don't like the stronger solutions, I prefer weak solutions and if they don't do what I want, I slowly step it up.

I never dip a coin more than a second. Dip, pull, rinse, assess, and repeat if necessary.
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 Posted 01/05/2015  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
After dip, rinse with distilled water. Make the dip as quick as possible with your fingers on the edges.
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 Posted 01/09/2015  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list
I received it today. I did some digging and it is certainly a VAM-1G on VAMWorld. The toning is not black, only in bad light, and it's more of a dark red/green with a whole ring of blue on the reverse.

I'm really horrible at taking pictures to get the tone, so the close-ups show the colors and the markers.

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01/10/2015 10:07 pm
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 Posted 01/10/2015  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list
I kind of like the color on it, so if I were you I probably wouldn't dip it but to each his own.
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 Posted 01/10/2015  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
This one is not a candidate for a dip. Dipping is math - you get a certain number of seconds the coin can be soaking in dip during the course of its' life. This is cumulative even if fifty years passes between dips. When those seconds run out, and you've won the Dip Lottery, your coin is ruined forever in a fashion the whole world can see.

It happens without warning, the time difference between "OK" and "oops" is about 1/16th of a microsecond, and no two coins have the same total tolerance. It is, quite literally, numismatic Russian Roulette. You can dilute thiourea (the acid we're talking about here) with water and ameliorate the effect just as MorganGrader said. It works well for lesser problems. The cutoff moment still exists.

This coin is dark enough to require full strength for at least 6-8 seconds to remove the color, maybe more. A strong coin will last 10 seconds or a bit longer before forever losing its' luster. I saw one the guy said he'd given 15 seconds without losing the surfaces. Once.
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After having it in hand, I have decided not to dip it. Firstly because I have no experience, and also because of how colorful it is. The seller's photos were just really dark.

Have some more new photos:



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 Posted 01/11/2015  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorganGrader to your friends list

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This one is not a candidate for a dip. Dipping is math - you get a certain number of seconds the coin can be soaking in dip during the course of its' life. This is cumulative even if fifty years passes between dips. When those seconds run out, and you've won the Dip Lottery, your coin is ruined forever in a fashion the whole world can see.

It happens without warning, the time difference between "OK" and "oops" is about 1/16th of a microsecond, and no two coins have the same total tolerance. It is, quite literally, numismatic Russian Roulette. You can dilute thiourea (the acid we're talking about here) with water and ameliorate the effect just as MorganGrader said. It works well for lesser problems. The cutoff moment still exists.

This coin is dark enough to require full strength for at least 6-8 seconds to remove the color, maybe more. A strong coin will last 10 seconds or a bit longer before forever losing its' luster. I saw one the guy said he'd given 15 seconds without losing the surfaces. Once.


Really depends on the strength of the dip. I've had coins in dip for over a minute before and they came out fine. Of course I messed up the dip that time and that's why it was in there so long, ideally I'll get the mix right and it will be a real quick dip. I misjudged that particular coin, it happens from time to time.

I think OP did well, seeing his shots, despite them lacking resolution. If it looks like that in hand, I don't think it should be dipped, although I still think the mishandling is a major negative to overall eye appeal.
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