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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I have a book: 'How to Invest in Gold Coins' by Donal J Hoppe, publ. 1970, by Arco Publishing Company. At the time of publishing, not much around in bullion gold coins, but lots of sovereigns and common date U.S. gold at little above melt value.
The main gist of the book is to invest in U.S. gold at uncirculated or better. Looks at foreign gold, and also looks at rare numismatic gold. (I guess that has to be much more of a numismatic investment - OK for me; I have some ancient gold.)
Suggests that long term holding is better that short term trading, if you don't want to be involved daily.
You have to make a strategic long term philosophical decision, before 'dipping your toe in the water': With all precious metals, compare the long term accumulated inflation rate against the gold price chart over the same period.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Let's say the you know what hits the fan and paper money becomes worthless. Which would be the best gold or silver coin to accumulate just to buy thing? I'd buy American Silver Eagles or 90% silver dollars. Maybe some 1/10 oz American Gold Eagles as well.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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The trouble with guns and ammo, is that someone you don't expect might use theirs against you. Not so good if daddy or hubby is murdered.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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nvm
Edited by Northerncoins 01/14/2015 12:26 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I agree with one statement.. if the economy was so bad that money wasn't recognized any longer you probably should've invested in brass and lead instead of gold or silver.
Gold does have it's place however. It's an international currency. If you have some you can go anywhere and not ever have to worry about an exchange rate.. just the different between the bid/ask spot rate and premium you may have to pay when you bought the PM.
Now if 1 oz is worth say 1300 USD right now ... and you would like some form of "fractional" currency I would have a look at trying to buy some jewlery for melt prices. Often you can buy a chain or bracelet in a private sale for "melt" .... it's easily transported as you can wear it on your person and if the links are small you can easily cut one or two off and use them to buy, sell or trade with.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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In a post-apocalyptic scenario, economic or otherwise, and ONCE gold/silver becomes an accepted means of commerce (since initially, it won't be):
If all you're wanting to buy is a loaf of bread, then even one ounce of silver is too much. You'd be better off bartering in other goods.
However, if you're talking wanting to obtain a week/month worth of food at once, then either gold or silver is fine. Making change is NOT your responsibility. YOU have the gold/silver. YOU have the money. YOU set the prices. The other party is obviously wanting your metal, and since not everyone has gold/silver, if he wants it, then HE has to make the deal with you, NOT the other way around. If he feels you're setting the prices for goods too high, he has one option: find someone else with metal who will give him a better rate. And if he has some metal himself, it'll be HIM to make change for you by giving you say, 1/10 ounce gold and you giving him one ounce gold.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree with others here. If things get that bad, gold and silver probably won't have much use initially, because NONE of your neighbors hold PM's or will have any use for yours. I would say fractional gold in the long run.
When I listen to LED ZEPPELIN...so do my neighbors... Roll hunting since '77 Dirt fishing since '72
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
695 Posts |
I think it would be exactly like MadMax Movies.Invest in Petroleum lol
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5838 Posts |
I still want my roll of 1/10 oz. AGE
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1158 Posts |
I would stock canned goods if you are planning for the government to collapse. Maybe Soap and toilet paper will be the new gold? Canadian and Mexican money so you can sneak across the border?
Seriously, though, even tiny gold coins the size of a dime are worth over $100. You'd be better off stacking some silver. Many people go with heavily wornsilver U.S. coins because the thought is that the coin is recognizable enough that the question over silver content should not be an issue and worn ones sell for near silver melt value.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Thanks for the many fine alternatives and thoughts on this issue. I am not really talking about end of world but perhaps hyperinflation where a paper dollar is worth a penny like in Germany after WWI. I see and agree with most the points even the ones that seem to contradict each other. Why do people buy gold? It does not make interest for you and you have to pay to store it usually.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would say canned sardines, those things have a shelf life for eons.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Why would you hack saw a coin when bolt cutters do just fine? It's gold! You lose the filings, then you're going to melt it back together, you'll lose propane and oxygen doing that when you can use that for heating your food. Seriously I'd be more concerned if my refridgerator went offline than if people stopped accepting debit, credit, and paper.
If you're looking for a coin for that purpose, get the coin of your "realm" or country. USA, go for eagles. Canada, get maple leave. Et cetera. Gold is gold but a good bullion coin should be easy to recognize.
One also has to look at what type of purchase will be made. On a daily basis you may lose many ounces due to chiselers taking advantage of a bad situation (like selling water on hot days). Get a 10 ounce bar (silver) and buy your food in bulk - but I'll bet you your grocery store employees have no idea how to transact in this fashion on the whim and how to tell a fake, nevermind the amount of trust you put in into your grocer if you even know their first name.
Groszy, I like how you think. We're so tamed by the whims of the Western marketplaces and how they set the prices and the establishments set the taxes, most people don't even know how to haggle or that it's even an option.
Edited by Libertad 01/14/2015 7:48 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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Naw, for everyday transactions you'll need silver dimes and quarters. Those big 1 oz pieces are too big a monetary unit for many normal transactions. I remember during a gas crisis the signs in front of the gas station saying he would take silver dimes.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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For long storage life: tinned sardines? How 'bout a Mc Donalds meal?
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Two desert islands. The distance to swim between them is too far through shark infested waters. On one island there is a ton of gold bullion and no food, on the other is a ton of well preserved food, but no gold. Choose. Would you share your food or gold with anybody else, or go it alone?
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