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Best All-In-One Microscope W/Camera Or Just Camera?

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 Posted 02/20/2015  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clary1265 to your friends list
Finally got all the parts for the dSLR setup. Went on and bought 2 Jansjo lights and a copy stand. Now to get it all put together. Any suggestions or recommendations on setup or settings?

Thank You again Everyone!! You all have been such great help! Now I know why I stalk this forum all the time.
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 Posted 02/20/2015  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
You're faced with the double task of learning both camera setup and Zoom Browser to run it from the computer simultaneously. To run from the computer, hook the camera up via USB and turn the camera on first, set to full Manual. It'll pop up a dialogue letting you know the camera is found and chances are Zoom Browser will be one of the choices for "Open With."

Baseline settings: ISO400 (others will say use lower ISO, I prefer the faster exposures it allows), Spot metering, f/8 wherever aperture is adjusted, two Jansjos at 10 and 2 and expose 1/250 for lustrous silver, 1/150 for lustrous copper or nickel and 1/100 or maybe slower for circulated copper. Those will get you into the neighborhood.

When running from Zoom Browser with a lens that can't communicate its' aperture setting to the camera, it will default to displaying the narrowest aperture onscreen, making the image far darker onscreen than it will be on the sensor. I set ISO at 1600 to focus, and then back down to shoot the actual shot.

This seems like a hassle, but it isn't. It happens as fast as you can click your mouse, and very soon you're going to look at a coin and know what exposure to set. A difficult coin will take you three tries for exposure. In other words, fifteen seconds. You'll only be changing the exposure; aperture and ISO will be static.

At this point, play with stuff, learn, and ask questions as you go. You're learning a complex new skill, and better to do that hands-on.
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 Posted 02/20/2015  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clary1265 to your friends list
Thank You SsuperDdave

Another question,,,,,Do you all use camera battery or ac adapter? I just ordered a spare battery since I been burning this one up pretty fast.
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 Posted 02/20/2015  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
I had an AC adapter fail on me and burn out a nice Nikon camera, so ever since I have used batteries exclusively. I keep one in the charger while I use the other.
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 Posted 02/20/2015  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clary1265 to your friends list
Ok,,Thank you rmpsrpms. Definitely NOT getting an AC adapter!
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 Posted 02/20/2015  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Batteries are good for 300-400 shots outdoors; one will do you amply for your most intensive session even using Live View. You can turn the camera's LCD off completely to help if you want.

For the record, I normally use an AC adaptor. I'm rethinking in view of Ray's story.
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 Posted 02/20/2015  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clary1265 to your friends list
Ok Guys,,,No adjustments other than cropping. Second pic is diffused light. ISO 800, f5.6(on lens), 1/150, 2 Jansjo lights at approx. 10 & 2. Used a circulated coin to play with. I used the free image optimizer to upload pics here. Looks like my focus is off some also.


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 Posted 02/20/2015  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Come down in ISO. At 800 the additional noise will be slight, but we're pixel-peepers and it might show up in 100% crops. 400 is as high as you should shoot unless absolutely necessary - consider more light before being forced to use 800 or 1600. I define "forced" as having to use exposures slower than 1/40 to get it right. Yes, slower exposures are still within your capability but it's a sign you're pushing unnecessarily. Add a little more light and give the sensor more flexibility.

At ISO400 you'll be at about 1/100 to duplicate this shot, at ISO200, probably 1/60.

See why we walk a fine line between diffusion and contrast now? You picked a toughie in your subject, too - Zlincolns are as bright as any silver.

Guessing you're up and running from the computer? Do you know you can focus zoomed to 1:1 on the screen and Maximize it? The image will be so big, focus will be the last of your problems.
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 Posted 02/23/2015  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clary1265 to your friends list
No software adjustments at all. ISO400, f8, 1/100, 2 Jansjo approx 10 & 2.

Diffused
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Not Diffused(needs major work)
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My Set-up(nothing fancy)
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 Posted 02/23/2015  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list
IMO, since you should have a rock-stable setup there, there is no reason not to go with ISO 100. The slow shutter speed should not hurt you, and the lower noise gives you more headroom to work with for processing.
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 Posted 02/24/2015  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
Your diffused image looks good. That image shows you've got lighting pretty close, focus is good, and white balance looks spot-on. It's all small changes from there to turn good into great.

#1...rotate the coin so that Liberty is horizontal

#2...the overexposure of the undiffused image shows that you're not using an automatic exposure mode. Try Av and you won't get this kind of image ever again!

Tip: set the EV to -1/3 or -2/3 to force the camera to slightly under-expose so you don't blow out the highlights
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 Posted 02/24/2015  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Lose everything which reflects white in your pic of the rig. You're reflecting a lot of surface light back into the lens which costs contrast. I shoot on an old black t-shirt laid out flat, far larger than the lens, with a second one to block monitor light since the rig is only 3' from the computer.

Heck, I shoot without my glasses, in case they reflect something. Only let the light you intend hit the coin. Nothing else.
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 Posted 02/24/2015  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list

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Heck, I shoot without my glasses, in case they reflect something. Only let the light you intend hit the coin. Nothing else.


Hah, I had not thought of that! But my latest glasses have a non-reflective coating so maybe it's OK...

By the way, here is another tip to improve your Jansjos...

The lens in front of the LED is removable. It is held in place by a clear plastic ring that snaps into place on two sides. You can remove it with a screwdriver or knife, but be careful! I haven't broken one yet but it could happen. It takes a LOT of force to get it to snap out.

Once it comes loose, the lens falls out. Use the lens as a template to cut a circle of Canson Opalux or perhaps one or two layers of your favorite vellum diffuser material, put it in place of the lens, and snap it back together. You may need more diffusion than this, but I've found that one layer of Opalux is all I need to get the minimum diffusion I require to have Jansjos work well.
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 Posted 02/24/2015  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
OK, that's pretty cool.

Ray's gonna have a heart attack () but my Jansjo diffuser of choice is either one or two layers of Kleenex taped over the bulb.
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...either one or two layers of Kleenex taped over the bulb.


Although Kleenex does work great I personally found that a piece of taped copy paper in the same place works for my needs because it seems to be more durable than tissue paper (TP) since I was always ripping up the TP from movements against and contacts with unforeseen objects...
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