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Lincoln Specialists: Opinions Please (New)2

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 Posted 09/27/2007  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list
First of all, I have a problem with the whole 'PFCC' nonsense. The fact that it is NOT a 'problem-free collector coin' would be enough for me not to offer such high dollars for it.

Also, if it's not cleaned it sure has been wiped down. Looking at the lines across Abe's shoulder makes it even less of a "PFCC," along with the variations in color across the surfaces.

It's been up for almost a week with no bids. Maybe someone will swoop in at the last minute and pay too much for it. I say, 'Oh, well,' but you might feel differently.

I personally wouldn't start negotiating any higher than around $280. If he insists it's worth $400+ then there's really no way to compromise. But I just don't see how anyone (besides maybe aboncom) could 'designate' that coin as 'problem-free.'

My own faith in the chances of it earning a problem-free slab is not solid enough to warrant me recommending anyone spend grey sheet VF money for it, but I'm cheap and stupid, and it's not my money.
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 Posted 09/27/2007  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list
lol thanks halfabust. :)

I didn't like the "PFCC" crud either. You also pointed out something I didn't notice, the lines on the shoulder.
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 Posted 09/28/2007  02:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
The prices that are mentioned are for authenticated pieces ,, from the pics provided I would be hard pressed to even offer an opinion on authenticity .

Sellers who have the experiance of this one should know that ! and provide extremely good close up pictures of the mint mark .

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 Posted 09/28/2007  07:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list
Good point, metalman.

I was thinking last night about how much this guy probably paid for it, and I envisioned him standing behind his counter, kicking the tires on it, and saying, "80" to the person selling it. So assuming its authenticity, I see no harm in playing a little low-ball. The worst that could happen is he could say no and you'll find a better one elsewhere. Take it for what it's worth.
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 Posted 09/28/2007  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
As usual, another set of crappy ebay pictures. As far as "problem free", how can you tell from a picture taken from outerspace? There seems to be a fairly long scratch behind the ear. I can't tell how much the cheek bone is worn, that's the first thing I look at on Lincolns. A lot better pictures would be required before I'd pay that kind of money on an internet coin. On a key date like this, I'd have to hold it in my hand before I'd buy.
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 Posted 09/28/2007  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
It sounds like anything I wanted to say has been said already. From the photos of coins you've already purchased, I'd just say this one just wouldn't fit in. The price is to high and the quality is not up to your standards. Other than all that........
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 Posted 09/29/2007  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list
You've mentioned the eye appeal drawbacks. PCGS surprises me sometimes.
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 Posted 09/29/2007  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
Again rotten photographs ,,but at least you would have a small sense of security in its authenticity .

Its possible that the coin is not as dark as the pictures illustrate .

If I was interested I would ask for much better pictures .

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 Posted 09/30/2007  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
It's amazing, huh Metalman? I very, very rarely see good pics on ebay. When will they get with the plan?
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 Posted 09/30/2007  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list
I think I found one. I emailed them asking to come down a bit in price. They're asking $500 and I offered $450. I'll let you guys know if they accept. What do you think?

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 Posted 10/01/2007  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
that is one thing I always try to do and I think it is very important especially since most of the coins I have sold were VAM's and most were unattributed VAM's. I wouldn't want to take someone elses word for a high dollar VAM if they didn't show a good enough picture for me to see that it was that particular VAM that requests such a premium and I wouldn't offer one without the same set of standards. I usually try to get the best photos I can of each and every attribute of the coin I am selling (especially if it is unattributed) so the buyer can be sure what they are getting and if the chance that I have attributed it wrong someone can let their concerns be very well known to me (this has never happened to me because I am usually confident on all the VAM's I have sold on authentication, but I have emailed quite a few people claiming to have a particular VAM and their attribution be very wrong). Some people when you let them know they have attributed the coin wrong will not make any adjustments in their auction but usually they are happy that you told them your opinion and atleast posted the email they received in the auction so the buyers can be aware that their attribution may be wrong if they don't end the auction all together because of an error in the listing. What I am trying to say whether it be a VAM or key date coin the seller should have the decency and respect for the buyers (especially if not authenticated as such) to take detail pictures of every detail they know that particular date or variety to have so the buyer can make a purchase knowing what to expect when they get the coin
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 Posted 10/01/2007  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
I thought it was stated on the last post you would declime this coin or am I getting old and forgetful. Even the latest photo is not clear enough for me. I'm just to used to seeing a coin in person at coin shows. I really don't like chances with large amounts of money on somthing I can not actually see better. And as already noted:


My own faith in the chances of it earning a problem-free slab is not solid enough to warrant me recommending anyone spend grey sheet VF money for it, but I'm cheap and stupid, and it's not my money.
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 Posted 10/01/2007  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list
just carl, the last photo is of a totally different coin. It's a PCGS VF-25
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 Posted 10/02/2007  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

just carl, the last photo is of a totally different coin. It's a PCGS VF-25

AHHHH. You didn't say that before. Sure wish the photo was a little better. I does look better than the VF-25 from the photo but usually PCGS is decent with grades. Let us know if you can wittle the price down a bit more. If you thrown in postage, shipping and handling, insurances, the price may be even higher. With only a little over 1 million minted and this one is certified as real, HMMMM. Some may say there will always another one but with all the new collectors poping up lately, I'm not sure how much longer such coins WILL BE AVAILABLE.
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 Posted 10/02/2007  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USArmyParatrooper to your friends list
My thinking, too carl. I got them to come down to $485 and free shipping. I think I'm going to take it. It's the same people who sold me my S-VDB and I've been happy with that.
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