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Valued Member
United States
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Lincoln was a corporate attorney for the railroad industry before he was president. This is similar to how much of the FDA today is ran by former Monsanto employees. Here is one article I found with a simple google search: http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-po...ar-hollywood
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Why not reintroduce the dollar coin but put Lincoln on it for good. That will keep some people happy.
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Valued Member
United States
110 Posts |
Quote: Why not reintroduce the dollar coin but put Lincoln on it for good. That will keep some people happy. Yeah. You can't please all the people all the time, that is for sure. You would think him being on a $5 bill, having a monument in the capitol for him, having his face carved into a mountain, having the capitol of a state named after him, having the coolest childhood toy created after his life (lincoln logs) and most importantly having historical accurate vampire movies about him would be enough to keep the Lincoln fans happy.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1208 Posts |
The idea of ending the cent is most often bolstered by inflation issues. Instead of taking a defeatist attitude and slowly removing denominations one at a time from the bottom, why not fight for a sustainable currency that is backed by tangible value, and keep the cent? FIAT currency is the problem, not denominations of coin/currency. Why not jump up and down demanding the PROBLEM get fixed, instead of insisting on an action that caters to the problem? Give in on this, and it just gives eternal (and intentional) inflation credibility. (Google the term "Inflation Tax")
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1208 Posts |
Oh, and I agree that many people, who's opinions are just as valid as 700 self important cogs in our broken system, would put Lincoln low on that same list. There are just as many good reasons to despise Lincoln as there are to laud him. Fact is that no matter how many great things came from his actions, the ends should never justify the means. He did hideous damage to liberty itself, in the name of liberty. Sadly ironic.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1208 Posts |
Quote:
I have issued a challenge before...
1. Take all of your receipts from the last month and total them. Call this Total 1.
2. Round the total of each receipt properly to the nearest five cents.
3. Total the rounded receipt totals. Call this Total 2.
4. What is the difference between Total 1 and Total 2? A whole lot of nothing. Your supposition that average receipts would total the same tomorrow, after pricing structures are manipulated to round up more often than round down, as average receipts would total today, is a major flaw in your "challenge". Fact is that you cannot compare receipts from a profit neutral point in time to receipts produced in a time with a profit motive in place to encourage those receipts to read differently. If the argument against the cent is so solid, and if we are doomed to FIAT currency H-E-Double hockey-sticks, rather than fixing the real problem, then the argument is just as strong against ALL denominations below one Dollar. Let's use all this energy that is going into attacking the cent, nickel, dime, half, one Dollar bill, and two Dollar bill, to call out the real problem... I mean, since , we are here wasting our numismatic time and bandwidth talking about politics anyway. Let's push to get Statists and Keynsians out of our government, and preferably put LOTS of them in prison for their crimes against the people! Certainly a more worthwhile endeavor than several small groups squabbling over the merits of each specific denomination.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1208 Posts |
Since I am on a soapbox... what the heck, I'll take issue with the silly title of this silly thread. Just because Canada has done something, doesn't mean, by a long shot, that the US should do it! LoL I have a mile long list of examples of how silly that idea is, but I'll spare you. Have a good night everyone.
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Valued Member
United States
110 Posts |
ratio411,
I like the way you THINK! Unfortunately, thinking is becoming a lost art.
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Moderator
 United States
188770 Posts |
Quote: why not fight for a sustainable currency that is backed by tangible value, and keep the cent? Because the cent is worthless now. We cannot go back to a time where the cent actually mattered without major deflation. We certainly need a sound monetary policy, but we would have to travel back thirty or forty years to save the cent. Quote: Your supposition that average receipts would total the same tomorrow, after pricing structures are manipulated to round up... Conder101's post on the previous page should have put this sort of conspiracy theory crap to rest. Failure to accept the facts does not change the fact that the cent is dead.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4932 Posts |
Heck, it hasn't come to the point yet where when I get exactly 0.01 back in change, that they don't give it to me.
Once it starts happening, er, well, maybe that's a sign.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1208 Posts |
I look forward to getting back my change... even when it's just one cent. Great point.
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Valued Member
United States
110 Posts |
Quote: I look forward to getting back my change... even when it's just one cent. Great point. Yes, especially if you keep all the real copper pennies like I do. To me this discussion is a lot like the minimum wage discussion. People want a minimum wage increase to say $15/hr. I like to ask them why not make it $50/hr. This allows them to think through the problems of doing so. For instance, most employers couldn't afford to pay their employees $50/hr. If they did pay their employees this much, prices would rise. If prices rise and everyone has more money (since everyone is making $50/hr), this just further devalues the dollar. You could do the same. Why not eliminate everything below $1? Everything would be rounded to the nearest (or more likely higher whole dollar). That $.79 taco, now $1. Those $2.64 dozen eggs now $3. Of course, some businesses may 'cut you a deal' and round down. But they will not cut into their profits to do so.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1208 Posts |
Don't get me started on the minimum wage! LoL Raising the minimum wage is a political payoff to unions! EVERY SINGLE union contract in the US has a clause that gives the union worker an additional raise outside the scheduled raises, in the amount equal to or greater than the amount that the minimum wage is increased! So you have x-amount of people that are actually making minimum wage, getting a raise... and let's face it, those are mostly kids just entering the workforce, a number FAR LESS than the number of all union workers..
Anyway, the real damage is from giving raises to those high paid union workers that make up what's left of our manufacturing base, all of our government employees, and the skilled laborers that build our infrastructure. People never hear about that part! So, you give a raise to our kids and unmotivated workers, in the name of helping the poor, but most of the raises go to people making union packages of $40-$80 an hour! Since these union workers getting the raises are doing the work imbedded in govt and infrastructure, NO ONE can get around paying the increase, so who gets hurt the most? The poor.
Edited by ratio411 02/24/2015 10:23 am
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Moderator
 United States
188770 Posts |
To be clear, I do not hate the cent. I most certainly will miss seeing it in change, but it is a sacrifice for the greater good. When the cent is eliminated from circulation I hope that the mint maintains them like the Kennedy half dollar now. Would be extra nice if the NIFC cents were bronze. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1026 Posts |
Why not eliminate the cent/penny and then release a numismatic version of the same dimensions in gold every year, uncirculated, proof etc. - that would be affordable for pretty much everyone.
Right now it does NOT make any cents (no pun intended) whatsoever to continue to mint coins which' inherent metal value is greater than their denomination. But it just shows how many ***(fill in the blank yourself) are in Congress and the HoR - otherwise they would have eliminated it by now like you in Canada. This country is so backward, it's almost like medieval Europe... Rant over! :)
Edited by omxfl 02/24/2015 1:02 pm
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