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Looks like some metal object the shape of a horseshoe was placed on the coin and it was hammered. The shape runs clockwise from the T in "trust" to the I in "in". It coincides with the damage on the reverse. It must have been placed on some uneven surface as there is no distinct pattern as I can see.
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OK, as I thought all would say. It is always a "garage" fix. But, how do you explain the edge running from the T in united to the N in one? I will post some more pics, that may even clearify some other things.
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What do you think it is? Seems like the reverse on the CENT tells the whole story. The reverse/mirrored LIBERTY tell me that a Cent was pressed into the coin off center. What appears to be a D in this area is just the flattening out of the T of CENT. Seems like it were mint doubled struck the image would have been not mirrored on the reverse. The line running through the date also evidence that the coin was tampered with. So what do you think it is?
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I was told my a local dealer that it was caused by ejection error. Two coins ejected at same time, one pressured against the other, one "jammed", this is not the actual terminology he used, but I can't remember EVERYTHING he said, he went into so much information about how coins are made and the process of how they are ejected, and struck etc. It was too much for me, wanted to do more research on my own so that I could understand better, went to mint site, they show a video of how coins are made, but the actual striking, ejection thing. Everything is so subjected on here, one thinks it is an error, some think it is a garage job, I am more confused, who's info do I take more serious? Don't want to come across stupid when discussing coins, don't want to spend HARD earned money on attribution services, so lost in the world of coins. 
Edited by wrongalot 12/09/2007 3:30 pm
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Post striking. The rim is not on the die. It is on the setup process. The only way the rim would appear would be when compressed with another coin with a lot of pressure from something else pushing on the coin. Literally damage, not a striking error.
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Quote: Everything is so subjected on here, one thinks it is an error, some think it is a garage job, I am more confused, who's info do I take more serious? This is where alot of people get confused, all anyone on these forums can offer is an opinion that they have based on the information/pictures provided and the knowledge they have on the mints procedures of minting coins to see if they can explain anything they know about the process that may cause the error/problem. Anytime anyone can see it in person they may be able to give a better attribution of any coin in question than someone from pictures/information given
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A lot of time we are kinda bouncing ideas off of each other but for the most part we are all just tossing in our 2 cents trying to help as best we can...either by confirming some ideas or disproving them if need be.
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I always value opinions from members on this site, it is just so hard in todays economy to send every coin in to be looked at by the "experts". That is why this forum is important to me. I appreciate all the guess work, learned opinions, expert advise, etc from the members here. I just wished there was someone in my area who I could rely on to take my coins to. Oklahoma does not have a very strong coin collection community. I have found one coin club near me, and their meetings consisted of mainly pre 1900 coins, mostly silvers. ***Edited***
***Deliberately bypassing the bad word filter is not acceptable. The filter is there for a reason. ~ Forum Dad***
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I used to live in Omaha....at least you Have coin clubs 
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wrongalot
you said you took the coin to your local dealer ,and so far His is the only differing opinion ,,
In hand is always best ,,but not every dealer in every B+m shop is experianced with errors or for that matter knowledgeable on the minting process and every coin series which they are asked about .
I tend to agree that the coin is post mint damage based on a couple of unchangeable facts ,, the first and most important is the rim ,,the rim is on the coin before striking for the rim to be smashed by any part of the striking process is next to impossible ,, the areas in question on the obverse do not show any added design detail but just the opposite,,it shows flattened and mis shaped design details while all of the major design is in the right position and not damaged as it would had the coin been hit twice with the obverse die ,, the area on the reverse is negative(sunk into the coin) if this was caused during ejection and it was in fact stuck on top of another coin then the design should be that of the obverse of the under coin not the reverse .
put it all together and you come to a basic conclusion that the coin was altered after striking .Just exactly how it occured and what was done to it may never be fully known ,,there are so many ways to alter coins it is mind boggleing .
Metalman
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thank you metalman for your opinion, I really picked the right nickname. Hope everyone knows that I am not trying to argue the point or beat the dead horse, just trying to find all the information I can....knowledge is a powerful weapon, there is no such thing as too much knowledge.
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Quote: knowledge is a powerful weapon, there is no such thing as too much knowledge. Truer words were never spoken ! Your absolutely right ! Metalman
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Knowledge is a powerful weapon. This coin sold on ebay and I asked the seller if I could use his image as a vice Squeezed Cent. He didn't reply. Coin sold for big bucks. Why did I call this coin a vise squeezed coin?  See if you can see why?
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Wrong, Metalman made a great point. You are working very hard looking at coins and find many things that can go on with them. Understanding them becomes much easier if you study the minting process. Knowing what step is 1st, 2nd and so on really helps understand what is plausible and what is not. There are many books on the subject and I suspect that if you Goggle it there is a ton of info on the net. Many of the answers you have received and that have frustrated you efforts are analysis based on the understanding of how a coin is made. I know that once I had studied it, the light went on. As far as who to count on, I find most anyone here that puts forth thought has some basis of information. When it comes to cents, which you seem to like, and this list is by no means all inclusive, people like coop, foundinrolls, coppercoins, superdave, metalman, bobby 131313131313 (can't ever how many 13s there are) are rock solid. I hope I have not hurt anyones feels by not getting them on the list, I just grabbed the ones that I lean on when I need help. Anyway, keep firing out the pics, I love looking at them. Jim
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This coin was made by hitting it with a hammer. It is possible that a washer was used and not another coin. That would account for the portion of Lincoln's head that appears to be untouched and inside a circular area.
I think that what your dealer was trying to explain although incorrectly about this coin is that it may have gotten hit by another coin that was stuck to the hammer die (the obverse die)and that this coin might have been struck through another coin while this coin was not properly ejected.
That would be erroneous.
This coin screams "tampered with outside the Mint"
To make one just like it, take a coin and lay it on a 2X4. Take another coin (or washer) and set it on top of the first coin but slightly off center. Then take a whack at it with a hammer. Use safety glasses because there is a chance that the coins are going to fly. The result will look just like this coin.
Thanks, Bill
Edited by foundinrolls 12/11/2007 11:50 pm
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