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Moderator
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Why does a damaged coin (look at the top of the reverse) leave you in Emergency Mode to buy something you don't know enough about to authenticate yourself?
No. Don't buy this coin. Don't buy any coin in this fashion. The help you need fast is to listen to someone advising patience.
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New Member
 Bulgaria
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Because I dont have enought money for AU UNC coins.
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 United States
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Then buy it and find out the hard way why you shouldn't have. Either way, we'll help. But not under a time deadline.
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New Member
 Bulgaria
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I can see it live tomorrow. What should I look carefully to see it is real ?
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 United States
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You have until tomorrow? Heck, that's not "fast." Gimme a minute to type a good post; I'll walk you through the whole thing and you can make an informed decision in the next half hour.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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he's new SD, maybe he didn't know just how "fast" we can help if called upon.
@Ploprof... Don't buy it. That is a coin you should not even think about buying in any condition until you have at least a cursory knowledge of morgans. Stick around, ask questions and enjoy the hobby
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New Member
 Bulgaria
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Thanks Cascade. When I made the post I have only 30 minutes to decide what to do. But the seller told me that I can see the coin.
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm pretty sure this coin is legit. The damage and cleaning aside, if you can buy it at $50, that sounds like a good deal. JMO
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 United States
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OK, here we go. Buy this coin ten times out of ten for $50. Here's why. I see no reason to doubt the authenticity. Indeed, certain features make it very difficult indeed to counterfeit. However, it's damaged and that's what I'll discuss first. On the obverse, note the ding on the rim at 4:00, and those patchy round cleaner areas in that vicinity. Also note the faint horizontal striations across the cheek from where someone probably attempted to clean the coin. At Noon - the very top - you see a flat spot caused by a hard hit. On the reverse, above "In God we trust" you can see the scratches someone put onto it. All of these combine to create a very damaged coin, one we refer to as a "Details" coin because the damage causes you to offer a technical grade - what the amount of wear detail alone is worth for a grade. But it's not original, having been damaged, which is prized in numismatics. The surfaces have been altered through cleaning, scratching and damage. Therefore if I call this coin VG Details (I am), the details are VG but the value may only be that of a AG-G coin. That was the bad news. The good news is, Morgan dollars are collected by variety - they're called VAMs after the two men who originated the system - and this is a good one. It's VAM-3, Capped Die "Large over Small CC" variety. It's so popular that it was named to the Top 100, the very first list of extraordinary collectable VAMs. You saw the proof yourself (good eye) - the mint mark. You cannot afford this coin in better shape. If it weren't a Details coin, it'd be worth $150 in that grade. Now, the (important) caveat is that I'm working from imperfect online images. But there are very few 1879-CC varieties, the look of the mint mark is characteristic - and impossible to counterfeit - and I would absolutely pull $50 out of my pocket right now for this coin. I would take the chance based on what I see here. That's my opinion, I am admittedly optimistic but I'm also fairly good with Morgans and I like my chances of being right. You also have the time to await more opinion.
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New Member
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BIG thank you SsuperDdave ! Appreciate it !
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Moderator
 United States
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I forgot the important part: http://www.vamworld.com/1879-CC+VAM-3Discount the discussion about the filled G in God. Not all of them have it - that develops later in the production than this coin. Compare the info there, as I did, and see what you think.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Man did I have my VAM goggles on. I knew it was authintic with the honest wear but didn't even think about vam3. That's like missing a spitting eagle 
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Tremendous support extended to a new CCF member ... always thrilled to read the experts weighing in.  David
Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art
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Quote:Man did I have my VAM goggles on. I knew it was authintic with the honest wear but didn't even think about vam3. That's like missing a spitting eagle Always look for weirdness at the mint mark. There are so many, across so many years, that it's a "first stop" for VAMming. And aside the fact that the most notorious Morgan fakes are known for the mint mark (Micro O's, fooled the experts for years), they tend to reinforce opinions of authenticity. It's darn difficult to fake on a homebrew die or cast.
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