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Coins Purchased In Cardboard Flips And Re-Using Flips I Have

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 Posted 04/16/2015  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Turbolag to your friends list
Cool, thanks for the input. It all makes sense, I just wish I could stop spending $ on supplies and get some more coins!

On another semi-related question, I'm having trouble trying to figure out what type of box or case to store my tubes, bags, and flips that keep the coins environmentally stable yet is not a Safe.

I gather you ultimately want coins to be air tight with some desiccant in there as that will keep additional moisture out and let the desiccant do it's job.

I don't have enough coins to warrant a safe but a lot of mine currently live in a plastic latching file box that I put in a cabinet.

Will any kind of plastic box or tub do the job, or do they have to be made of some specific inert plastic. I figure cardboard would work, but its not air tight, and wood breaths, holds moisture etc.

Hope this ties in with the initial thread. I don't know if starting a new one for every question is preferred or not.
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 Posted 04/16/2015  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Hope this ties in with the initial thread. I don't know if starting a new one for every question is preferred or not.
This is your thread, so you are fine.
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 Posted 04/16/2015  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
Try this supply company:
http://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/?ut...7475846019-p
I don't believe they will sell you anything that will harm your coins.
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 Posted 04/16/2015  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
The degree of care you need to put into storage is to an extent dependent on your environment. Given your location, you're a good candidate to be careful.

In the majority of cases, though, your greater enemy than humidity is atmospheric chemicals, most specifically atmospheric sulfur. Aside physical security concerns, airtight Ziplocks with the air pushed out and a dessicant, as a final layer, will serve appropriately. And they free you to put all that into whatever container/closet/drawer you like.

Except don't keep them in furniture less than 50 years old if you can help it. Furniture outgasses glue and finish byproducts for a long time. Leave a coin out on your desk for a week or three. You'll see what I mean, unless you're lucky.

I'm not lucky.
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 Posted 04/16/2015  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
For the slight amount they cost, it is just not safe to reuse any flip. Once a coin was in there you don't know what else was there. Just best to be safe, not sorry.
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 Posted 04/16/2015  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgCoinAu to your friends list
Depends on where I'm storing my coins..
1) some coins go into to 2x2's then into holders that will go into binders....
2) some coins go into 2x2's then into boxes that are stored on shelves in my dinning room (my own coin area)
3) some coins go into 2x2's or ziplocks and then into small rubber made containers....to be stored elsewhere for longer durations.
4) some coins go into the safety deposit box with a few packs of desiccants
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 Posted 04/16/2015  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Turbolag to your friends list
Sounds good. I just remembered I have a box of hefty 2 gallon bags and these xxxl bags ziplock makes for clothes and stuff. Once I get some boxes I like I can just drop them in there. Too bad they dont make gigantic air-tite tupperware like the kind people use to store pantry stuff in.

Ive also though about ammo boxes. I have to standard old army ones, I know they are gasketed and have pretty rust free paint on them which could be marine grade. They need to keep ammo dry and free of corrosion so who knows? but they are old and metal...

Maybe ill scope out some modern ammo cases made out of that ballistic plastic stuff.
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 Posted 04/17/2015  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Turbolag to your friends list
So I have some questions in reference to the acetone dip, and this Flying Eagle cent I posted will make a good example:

The cent in that pvc flip actually DOES had a tiny dot of dark green on the rim. I know verdigris and the green stuff from pvc flips are different things.

1. How do I tell which is which (of course for this it looks like its caused by the holder but I have many lincoln wheat cents with gunk ranging from dark to bright green...and then theres natural patina to make it more confusing)

2. If a coin was in a pvc flip aaaand has verdigris growing on it, would you acetone it first, and then try some verdi-care on it if it doesn't look better, or do the opposite order?
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 Posted 04/17/2015  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Acetone is cheap and easy. It will remove PVC related residue, but do nothing for verdigris nor will it hurt a coin with verdigris.

So to answer question number two, yes, do acetone first and then Veri-Care if necessary.
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 Posted 04/20/2015  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Turbolag to your friends list
So I've been looking into the modern ammo cans and they look like they could fit the bill for storing some coins. I wanted to get one for copper, one for 90% silver coins, and one for my silver eagles. They seem like a good deal ranging from $10-30 each are water although I read on some other forum the rubber gasket in the lid that keeps the seal could be problematic since rubber could be bad for coins. Anyone got any thoughts? I've heard pelican cases without the foam work for coins but those also have a rubber gasket (and cost a lot more than ammo boxes)
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 Posted 04/21/2015  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Turbolag to your friends list
Got a couple topics goin on it here but hopefully i'll have a good idea of what I'mdoing when they are answered!

Anyway I got some Klean Strip acetone - could not confirm anywhere on the packaging that it's 100% but the klean strip product sheet describes it as "extremely pure"

Googled it and a few other people have said they used it to dip coins.

I was thinking of using wide-mouth, yet shallow mason jars since they will seal tightly and i'll be able to reach into the jars to retrieve the coin. Not sure what the rubbery red ring on the lid that creates the "seal" on the jar but I don't see how it could affect it. Maybe the worst that happens is the seal gets eaten by the acetone and you now are left with a less than air-tight jar that still cuts down on evaporation.

So theoretically I have this work flow kind of fleshed out but I don't know how to get the coin out of the jar. Do you guys use special wooden tongs or something to put the coin out of the bath? Chop sticks?
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 Posted 04/21/2015  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I use nothing larger than a jigger glass, and normally a shot glass. Anything else is a waste of acetone. A Quart should last you years. A small glass pane as a cover is sufficient to forestall evaporation overnight, which is enough because even if you end up in a multi-day soak situation you're still looking at the coin and refreshing the acetone daily anyway.

Kleen Strip is fine. It is pure acetone with Denatonium Benzoate (sp?) in tiny quantity (drops per 55 gallons) to make it unpalatable to animals. That's not relevant to us.

Any coin you need Verdi-Care for should get the acetone treatment first. Removing any organic contaminants - seen or not - enhances the Verdi-Care's ability to do its' job, and the acetone may surprise you and make the rest unnecessary. Sometimes we mistake the one for the other. And don't forget, PVC contamination is not visible until it's actively established.

I have a pair of bespoke tongs with rubber tips ($5-ish from a coin supplier) to grab coins when required. Rinsed off immediately after that use, I've seen no deterioration in the tips but for $5, who cares if they only last a few years?

Their grip is deliberately weaker than hemostats but still up to the task.
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 Posted 04/21/2015  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Turbolag to your friends list
I think I need jars with lids since I have two cats which have zero respect for personal space. If you don't want them somewhere, thats the only place they wanna be!



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Any coin you need Verdi-Care for should get the acetone treatment first. Removing any organic contaminants - seen or not - enhances the Verdi-Care's ability to do its' job, and the acetone may surprise you and make the rest unnecessary. Sometimes we mistake the one for the other. And don't forget, PVC contamination is not visible until it's actively established.


This makes sense to me as there are varying sorts of gunk I've been finding on my pennies. The most prevalent stuff I find on most of them is gummy gunky stuff crammed into the lettering around the edge of the coin. Where does this rate in scale of damage to a coin? Better or worse than gunk in the fields or portrait area? More work to remove since it may have to me persuaded off the coin with a toothpick?

Again, thanks a lot ssuperddave this is all very informative
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 Posted 04/21/2015  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
When I allow him in the room, this is my usual competition for the keyboard. He's a big boy (that's a full-size folded newspaper), and easily covers the entire keyboardddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd:

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"Gummy gunk," as opposed to the things we know will harm coins, is usually not a priority in terms of our commitment to the future. In fact, removing it is quite often contraindicated, as removal leaves obviously cleaned surfaces. Sometimes you have to accept that this is what the coin is, and simply arrest it in place.

My usual location for acetone work is behind a closed bathroom door, on the windowsill with (weather depending) the window cracked. It best copes with acetone's extreme volatility, because even if it all blows straight into the house, one shot glass is insufficient to create a flammable atmosphere unless you confine it to a closet. If you have such a location available it can be cat-proofed.

Others use baby food jars. This is an acceptable alternative which will also be catproof, but complicates maneuvering the coin within it since you don't want it laying flat.
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 Posted 04/22/2015  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dar to your friends list
I can relate to fighting with the cats.

Every time I turn my back our new kitten will have what ever coin I have left on or near the keyboard.

Not only that, but any tooth pick, cotton swab, 2x2, baggie, sheese.

And she Has managed to knock over 1 batch of acetone. Scared us to death that she was going to lick it before we could get to her. Lucky she didn't.

That's why we ended up naming her Penny.

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