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Not Sure On This One...fake 1909 S VDB?

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 Posted 04/20/2015  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list
S is not right. Coin has been cleaned as well.
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 Posted 04/21/2015  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list
This looks like a twin almost to the 1914 D I posted earlier. The obverses have the same lightly struck look to them.
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 Posted 04/21/2015  12:33 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Two words. Buy certified.

You have to ask yourself. Why is this raw?
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 Posted 04/21/2015  01:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Yeah, I'll say it's a real position 2, but will still use 10' pole method on this one.
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 Posted 04/21/2015  07:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list
Yes, I agree- always buy this coin "certified"
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 Posted 04/21/2015  08:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list
... Or one that's been in a Dansco for decades
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 Posted 04/21/2015  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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You have to ask yourself. Why is this raw?
Some people live on the edge.

Not me. I will be buying this one certified, but will crack it out for the Dansco.
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 Posted 04/21/2015  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Turbolag to your friends list
I've pretty much decided any key dates i'll be getting of this series will have to be certified which I thought was simple enough; but how does the counterfeiting of slabs factor in when buying a rare coin on ebay? It still doesn't seem like a sure fire way to get what you think your paying for.
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 Posted 04/21/2015  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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Two words. Buy certified.

You have to ask yourself. Why is this raw?

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 Posted 04/21/2015  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list
carl... just wondering, out of your 10 sets have you ever bought this coin 'raw' or were they all certified?
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 Posted 04/21/2015  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
You'll note the auction has been pulled. If I'm right, the seller did that voluntarily, on his own initiative. We've been corresponding, and I explained exactly what my worries were about it and why that was possibly dangerous to him. There's no doubt in my mind he's an honest person, after our talk. With 5 days left I actually recommended he leave it up to keep those bidders captured in case Northeast Numismatics or JJ Teaparty signed off on it.

I sincerely hope nobody here got it pulled. The images weren't perfect enough to be sure, and it's my knowledge of photography, not the coin, which makes me say so.

You are playing with people's livelihoods here. Never forget that.
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 Posted 04/21/2015  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list
I just post these fakes that pop up on ebay to this forum. Works as a great learning tool in the future for people who stumble upon this article.
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 Posted 04/21/2015  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
You yourself admitted you weren't sure, yet publicized it anyway. I do not want to ever discourage posting fakes in these pages, just be aware of the size of the bat you're swinging when this is information which will essentially never disappear from public view for the rest of the time electrons exist.
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 Posted 04/22/2015  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
If it's fake it would certainly fool me. There must be at least a hundred of these that sold raw on Heritage.

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 Posted 04/22/2015  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list

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Yes, I agree- always buy this coin "certified"


How much extra protection against counterfeits do slabs give these days? Is the percentage of counterfeit slabs significantly less than the percentage of counterfeit raw coins?
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