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Well, if this is a counterfeit, they also counterfeited a hard reeding hit in the Mint bag, visible in the lower right field.
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Valued Member
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This morning I am able to weigh the coin. It's 27.24 grams (over 27.22 grams standard). I do not have a caliper for its exact diameter but with a ruler, it's a little more than 38 mm. So I think the coin comply with its specifications.
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Pillar of the Community
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It looks real to me, but was merely suggesting that it was fake.
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Appears genuine to me, the fields aren't completely wiped of any signs of nicks or scratches like the counterfeits are.
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United States
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End the debate by sending it to either PCGS or NGC, for a professional opinion as to its authenticity. Since Trade dollars are so notoriously counterfeited, why would anyone risk buying one raw unless they were an expert themselves about the series? |
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United States
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I think every time some one buys a raw Trade dollar here, it get posted and ask for other opinions about authenticity, from my perspective, it maybe worth while to buy from reputable dealers/sellers slabbed Trade dollars. Then if you decide to crack it out, we go through this cycle again... |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Risking a dent should never be a problem with a comparative ring tone test, provided that is is done correctly.
Simply dropping a potentially valuable coin onto a hard surface is an invitation to damage it.
More the problem is in obtaining a known genuine coin of approximately the same grade, with which to compare the suspect coin.
Rest BOTH the coin to be tested and the known equivalent genuine coin, next to each other on the tips of adjacent gloved fingers about 4 inches above a soft surface, such a folded blanket, lest they fall.
Gently tap the edge of each with a teaspoon or similar, such as neither of them fall, and listen to the comparative ring tones they produce. The ear is sensitive enough to detect a ring tone difference of as little as one Hertz (one vibration per second).
Edited by sel_69l
08/20/2015 7:11 pm
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Please, can we just get over this "ring test" crap? They're making counterfeits from the same silver alloys as the originals, and even if you have the auditory acuity to detect a half tone - I do not - a fake will sound just like a real one unless it's pot metal, in which case visual evidence will suffice.
It is a potentially-damaging test whose results indicate nothing at all. Please, just don't.
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What I mean is that the counterfeiter took a real coin, with incuse bumps on the arm, and made dies from the real coin. This would mean that the coin would have raised dots. Completely wrong! The incuse bumps on a coins would be transferred to a die as raised bumps on a counterfeit die, which would be transferred to a counterfeit coin as incuse bumps, albeit less sharp, called depressions. Die rust, maybe? |
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I think your coin is genuine, by the way.
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Please, can we just get over this "ring test" crap? They're making counterfeits from the same silver alloys as the originals, and even if you have the auditory acuity to detect a half tone - I do not - a fake will sound just like a real one unless it's pot metal, in which case visual evidence will suffice.
It is a potentially-damaging test whose results indicate nothing at all. Please, just don't. I have yet to see a high-quality, unmarked counterfeit produced on 90% silver/10% copper. Heck, I have yet to see a high quality counterfeit produced on anything that sounds remotely like the legitimate counterpart. Ring tests, if done properly, do not damage a coin. I could demonstrate how a proper ring test is done if I had a way to take a video. You may have a personal disagreement with that particular methodology of testing to see if a coin is legitimate, but combined with a close in-hand check by a knowledgeable individual, it certainly can play an effective role in determining authenticity. Edited to add, some coins should not be ring checked, such as gold coins, due to the softness of the metal. Edited by CartwheelCollector
08/20/2015 7:26 pm
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I have yet to see a high-quality, unmarked counterfeit produced on 90% silver/10% copper. Heck, I have yet to see a high quality counterfeit produced on anything that sounds remotely like the legitimate counterpart. I have. They exist, but are scarcer than off-metal counterfeits. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Ring tone testing is only one of many tests that can be applied. The convenience of this test is that it costs nothing, and if access to a known genuine coin is available, such a test can be simply applied by the owner odf the suspect coin.
As has been pointed out, fakes can be made from exactly the same metal alloy as from which the original coin was made. If the suspect coin is of exactly the same alloy, and is of the same planchet specifications,
comparative ring tone testing is of no value.
A good example of this would be a fake Canadian 1912-14 $10, made by re striking a U.S. gold eagle. In this case not even XRF or weight testing is of any value.
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