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1988-P Transitional Reverse?

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 Posted 07/04/2015  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list
I had no idea that this even existed! Good find... I think! Gotta find out more info...
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 Posted 07/04/2015  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rayof315 to your friends list
Wexler's Die Varieties (Doubledie.com) has a section describing both (1988P & 1988D) varieties. Look under "Transitional Designs".
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 Posted 07/04/2015  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list
I know coop will see this post. IF coop sees this post, can you post some comparison pictures?
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 Posted 07/05/2015  06:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add koinpro to your friends list
rayof315,

I think the reason you do not see many of these offered is because both mints are still relatively unknown to the masses in contrast to the Wide and Close AM varieties that are listed in the Red Book and CherryPickers' Guide (CPG). I could be wrong, but I think the only book to carry these varieties is my book, coauthored with Dr. Brian Allan, Strike It Rich With Pocket Change. Even though Strike It Rich is undoubtedly the second best selling error-variety book of all time, second only to CPG, its target audience is the new collector and non-collector walking into Barnes & Noble or a mom-and-pop book store and not the more advanced established collector who gets Numismatic News, Coin World, the Grey Sheet, or buys books like the CPG or the Red Book (though some advanced collectors do "discover" Strike It Rich and do say they get a lot of out it).

I believe until these varieties get more attention they will stay relatively "best kept secrets" among the more advanced variety collectors.

I might mention that while, 1989 varieties have been rumored to exist, those rumors were originally based on a mis-attribution and that none have ever been found. Still, who knows.
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 Posted 07/05/2015  07:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rackster to your friends list
Thanks for that last snippet Ken. I keep flipping the 1989 with hope but that helps put it into better perspective.
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 Posted 07/05/2015  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add koinpro to your friends list
Rackster,
You never know what you'll find flipping over those 1989s. Who would have thought a Close AM would have been found on the 1992-P&D cents? I'm still waiting for somebody to find a solid 3.1 gram copper-alloy cent for 2008 or 2010. Since the cents struck in 2009 for Mint Sets and Proof sets are in this classic alloy, I can't help but to think at least a few of those planchets got struck for those years. On the flip side, it would seem like at least a few of the Proof/Mint Set 2009 issues got struck on the copper plated zinc planchets.
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 Posted 07/05/2015  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list
I hadn't thought to weigh the 2008'S and 10's
Jeezzz! More needles for the haystack !
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Haha, I know Stoneman, they keep coming, I learn something new everyday after having gone through 1000's of rolls!
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 Posted 07/05/2015  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rayof315 to your friends list
Thanks Ken, I believe it was Strike It Rich that first alerted me to the 1988 transitional reverses. I did not know about the 2008 and 2010 cents. By "classic copper allow", do you mean the copper allow used for cents pre-1982? So that one might possibly be able to eyeball them first? I have, for example, a few 1983 cents that look distinctly copper to me, and which one of these days I'm going to have to get weighed.
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 Posted 07/05/2015  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list

The images of the FG, give me a headache. But I does appear to be a 006 from the better image.
1988-P-Transitional-Reverse?
There is another way to check and that is on the AME area:
1988-P-Transitional-Reverse?
Note the rounded and flattened devices on these devices. The 006 also show a wider design.
Variety Vista lists 7 Philly ones and 6 Denver ones:
http://www.varietyvista.com/Variety...by%20Die.htm
So they happened at both mints.
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 Posted 07/05/2015  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rayof315 to your friends list
Thanks coop for the welcome and the comparison. Yes, I know the FGs are blurry. I wouldn't mind some advice (from whoever wants to give it) on the best camera or microscope set up (at a reasonable price) for taking good detailed closeup shots -- especially because many of the coins I may eventually want to bring up for discussion will involve mint marks or similarly small areas on the coin. But maybe this is something I should post as a separate discussion?
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 Posted 07/05/2015  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rackster to your friends list
What are you using now?
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 Posted 07/05/2015  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rayof315 to your friends list
Right now I'm using my cell phone to take the pictures.
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 Posted 07/05/2015  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rackster to your friends list
You're doing rather well. The 30-60x shots are a challenge and it takes time and patience to get those sharp. I've had success using an inexpensive microscope at 20x and snapping a shot with my iPhone using one of the eye pieces.
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 Posted 07/05/2015  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rayof315 to your friends list
Thanks, I found that putting the cell phone on a stack of books to keep it steady as suggested in the tutorial works quite well. But for the more closeup detailed shots, I'm going to give the microscope idea you suggest a try. Thanks for suggestion.



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