1854 Oseated Liberty Half With Arrows Your Opinions.please

@ Moxking

I looked at the two images. Here is what I see:

Original



Moxking's



My notes



Here is certified example showing your "Fatty Letters"




It's ironic how you are calling this a cast fake when there is "too much" detail when cast fakes are isually associated with a loss of minute detail.

Also, explain to me why there isn't any major bubbling in any other part of the coin other that the letter areas, which tend to be an area for die cracks due to metallurgical physics.

Also, you say that there are 18 different reverse dies known for this date and mint. You showed us one, which would naturally be different from the other 17, especially in a later die state.

A lot of these issues can be immediately resolved with proper photography. Absent proper photography, this coin is cleaned. The obverse looks scratched. The reverse looks tooled. XF details.

Hey Typecoin,

I think you are confusing what someone else said about too much detail. It's not something I said, although I may have referenced that opinion.

Look at the mess around around the claws, the shield, the arrow heads, shafts, and feathers. That's not die cracks. That's not die clash. So when you ask for me to point out other areas of concern besides the legend - there you go.

The denticles alone without ANY other examination could not possibly be from ANY die shift or crack. Those denticles, (as I've mentioned several times) just left of the tip of the left wing and just right of the CA in AMERICA all by themselves show that this could not occur with a struck coin.

In fact, if you want to discuss irony, you might note that the yellow circle you placed around the denticles to the right of the arrows displays one of those two areas of concern. Mating denticles producing little baby denticle tips below them.

I have no clue why you believe that mint luster or halo effects around the letters or protected areas indicate this is a real mint product.

Last, the reason that I mentioned that there are 18 different reverse dies when I displayed the one I own was so that there could be no misunderstanding that by showing only one reverse that it proved anything. Only that it was an example to compare to. Not that it was the same die. That's why I said it. So no one would think I believed one example proved anything about the other 17 die types known.

What we need is either photos of the edge of this coin or the weight of the coin, or even, if nothing else, as has been suggested many times - better photos.

Until then, I can't convince you that what you call die cracks are not, nor can you convince me that those are in fact die cracks OR die clash.

I mean, correct that we need the weight and better photos. I still don't believe it's a fake.

Quote:
"I don't understand why you took pictures first in black and white and then again another set that makes the coin appear gold, simply place the coin in natural light and take pictures. I've taken better pictures better than those with my phone (no offense)..."

I will be the first to admit...NO.,my husband will be the first...
that I am by no means a coin photographer. I try different ways and taking the ones in black and white is one way. Birds,landscapes,animals, I do pretty well.... but for some reason, Coins are just not my thing when taking photos.Anyway here are a few more,including some of the edges at different angles. Hop[e they help.

I still say cleaned, but it retoned quite nicely.


@moxking

No hard feelings. I was just trying to prove my point using the evidence available, which can be used for future reference by anyone who needs it.

I looked at the pictures again, and I believe the "extra denticles" thing is actually a result of the light reflecting off the base of the denticles or the surface of the coin in between the denticles. I don't see them in the new pictures.

Quote"Thanks, Typecoin. Although ill probably have nightmares about evil denticles for some time. ...breeding evil denticles ... With long tentacles ... NOW I want to buy this coin just so I know that it's properly locked up..."

I don't have enough posts or whatever it takes to sell yet,but
it will probably still be around later.

I was pretty certain and my husband was certain that it is real. Thanks for all the comments and help!