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The 1842 Dollar is harshly cleaned, and the 1847 Dollar is also cleaned. Both real imo.
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syeb - we've all made mistakes. Fortunately, yours does not seem to be a big blow financially. Hey -  to the CCF! Edited by Coinfrog
03/29/2016 5:49 pm
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I think the 1847 is authentic as I can see die markers that seem to match OC-2 when I enlarge your images. http://www.seateddollarvarieties.co...47-OC2.shtmlI see die lines in the upper left portion of the shield on the reverse. I also see at least one die line next the scroll on the obverse...it was a little hard to see. Since have this in hand, you might see if you can see the pick-up points mentioned in the link above. -MV |
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Both appear authentic but evily cleaned. If you can send them back I'd recommend you do so and buy a slightly uncommon date in PCGS or NGC at EF 40 or 45 for the same money as these two.
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moxking - advice noted. Better one solid coin than two potentially worthless ones. Meadowview, thanks for the tip and the link especially. I took new pics of the 1842 and think it matches up with the OC3 variety. http://www.seateddollarvarieties.co...42-OC3.shtmlHere are the new pics. I can't seem to have the reverse shield come out clear but the horizontal mark is plain to see and matches the sample.     Edited by syeb
03/29/2016 9:25 pm
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syeb I'm glad the link was helpful. I wasn't comfortable giving a die marriage on the 1842 as I wasn't sure if I was seeing the pick up points clearly or if my eyes were tricking me. Indeed it does appear to be OC-3. to CCF -MV |
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Edit: The more I look at these the stupider I feel Not stupid. That implies an inability to learn which is not the case here. I don't see the completed ebay listings but will say the 1842 is not a $300 coin in today's sluggish coin market. The 1847 looks like a pretty good deal at $265 if genuine. |
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Personally I don't like the look of the 1842, not to say that it is fake, I don't know but it looks suspect. The surfaces of the coin look off and the reverse appears to be considerably higher in grade than the obverse. The 1847 doesn't immediately set off any red flags in my mind but at $265 it is a deal that is a little too good to be true in my opinion.
Third party graded coins by PCGS & NGC in these grades are only a few hundred dollars more. In heavily counterfeited series such as this one, I personally think the peace of mind is very much worth the additional cost if you are not dealing with a seller that you trust.
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Sorry for resurrecting a dead thread (as a newbie please let me know if that is frowned upon). But I received the 2nd coin today and took normal pics. Looks a lot different now than in the sellers pics. Weight, magnet test, color, texture, and tone test all are perfectly normal as far as I can tell. Definitely cleaned roughly but looks decent nonetheless in hand if I don't look too closely. A nick which I hadn't noticed before at the obverse rim right by the first star. Die lines on the reverse shield are crystal clear now.   Edited by syeb
03/31/2016 6:36 pm
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Strongly suggest you return both of them, or you will someday find yourself in the same position of trying to sell suspect/altered surface coins.  |
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 EF Details, net EF-40. Better coin than sellers pics, at least... |
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The 1847 may be a problem coin but it has near-AU detail and might serve as an acceptable type coin. $265 is a pretty attractive price and I don't think you would have much trouble getting at least that much if you sell it at some future date.
The 1842 is more seriously altered and I would put that $300 into something else.
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When you say altered, do you mean cleaned / surface treated or truly altered like tooled or something similar?
(And on a side note - my old Galaxy 4 takes some surprisingly good coin pics that close up. I had an LED floodlight 6 inches away which helped.)
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03/31/2016 11:15 pm
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I think it should be mentioned that Seated dollars are more likely to suffer from cleaning....sure there are uncleaned examples around one can find them with some searching. If I were going to keep one of these I'd choose the 1847 simply because you can see the pick up points to easily confirm authenticity. The cleaning to me isn't as bad as some I have seen. I'd return the 1842. -MV |
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