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Years Mexican Un Pesos Minted What Dates Are Non Existing

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 Posted 04/16/2016  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OcalaFlorida to your friends list


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Still have to photo 1922,1923,1924 and a 1 Real Go 1845/4 P.M. Guanajuato. Overdate?

But that's all the Mexican silver pesos/cap & rays/ 8R I collected last few months I hope to add more soon. I also hope to find photo or drawing reference on overdates and varieties. I know a few but only by mention no idea what they look like to find them.
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 Posted 04/18/2016  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xlrcable to your friends list
Like the OP I'd love to know if there's a really detailed reference for this series, either online or in a book still in print.

For what it's worth, Krause lists three overdates among the small cap-and-rays pesos: 1918/7, 1920/10, and 1933/2. The Baileys' recent second volume of the _Whitman Encyclopedia of Mexican Money_ adds three more: 1921 with 9 over inverted 9, 1933 with 1 over inverted 1, and 1934/3.

Sometimes a Google search like "mexico peso 1920/10" will turn up a dealer or auction site with a usable photo.

Krause also lists closed-9 and open-9 versions of the 1932 peso. I have never seen the closed 9, even in a photo, and the Baileys don't mention it. I'm beginning to think it's the Loch Ness monster.

Ocala, you probably knew all the above already but I had the books sitting here so I thought I'd set it out. I don't even collect varieties myself, but I have a lot of sympathy for anyone who's trying to find "serious" information about Mexican coins of this period ;)
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 Posted 04/18/2016  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list
This is the key to the series. Rumor is that a bag out of Denver was released to circulation, the word on the street is that there are about 200 around, hard to find these days. Be very care with the 1949. Gem 1911 short ray and 1918 are also tough.

My go to reference is Buttrey and Hubbard "A guide Book of Mexican Coins 1822 to Date" Sixth edition. I was not aware of Bailey's Volume 2, I edited that and was supposed to get a gratis copy but understand the circumstances.






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 Posted 04/18/2016  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list
Another interesting reference is "The comprehensive catalog and encyclopedia of modern Mexican coins" by William Lawrence Hanks 1976 edition. Take it with a grain of salt, but I have two, a working copy and a collection copy.
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 Posted 04/19/2016  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OcalaFlorida to your friends list
thanks Westwood Arms, I think I will order that in a few days "A guide Book of Mexican Coins 1822 to Date" Sixth edition.

xlrcable, I agree photo reference is scarce I found some images of some varieties on HA or NGC site.



A series worthy of a nice website.

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 Posted 04/19/2016  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OcalaFlorida to your friends list
http://coins.ha.com/itm/mexico/mexi...pe=NGC231311

only closed 9 I have seen it slabbed NGC

It appears to not be fully closed(almost closed) unlike the modern open closed 8's different font fully closed

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I think I found one but waiting for coin in hand to comfirm

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04/19/2016 09:14 am
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 Posted 04/19/2016  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OcalaFlorida to your friends list
I found a 1933 "fallen 3" don't have in hand yet but I could tell from auction pictures.




my coin

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known example

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Compared to the 1933 - I have left fallen right normal

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04/19/2016 08:54 am
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 Posted 04/19/2016  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xlrcable to your friends list
Westwood, thanks very much for the references. I can see I need to start tracking down some of the older works. Are Neil Utberg's also worth getting?
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 Posted 04/19/2016  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xlrcable to your friends list
And I do hope you get your copy of Bailey ;)
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 Posted 04/19/2016  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
OcalaFlorida When you get around to Cap and Ray 8 Reales - that is my area of some expertise. I have been collecting that type over 50 years and I specialize in circulating counterfeit varieties. It is a wonderfully complex series that spans 1823 to 1897 and includes many advances in the coiner's art. The series is a virtual history of die development - from hand punched dies using colonial techniques to modern hubbed dies.

I noticed that you had a series of photos on a black rectangular background. There are some comments I would make about those sheets involving the Cap and Ray coins. First the standard sizes and weights are misleading for the 8 Reales - they were struck on an open sided screw press so each coin needs to be measured because diameter can vary. The weight varies as well because each coin blank was hand weighed and adjusted in weight before it was struck. One error I noted, there were 14 branch mints involved at various times in the production of 8 Reales - yet I notice all of the examples refer to the Zs (Zacatecas) mint even when that mint was not involved.

Before venturing too much further you really need to invest in some of the standard guide books. Krause is likely cheapest on the secondary market because it comes out every year. Using an older edition is usually no problem because the prices are not very accurate anyway.
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 Posted 04/20/2016  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OcalaFlorida to your friends list
I got a 2015 standard catalog of world coin book 1901-2000 today, got my scale out/ready and have a caliper coming in mail tomorrow also so I can measure the features and sizes. I will have to find the earlier book also to cover the reales I can order online as my local spots only had the two more modern date series.


I have a couple 8 Reales nothing in high grade just what could find locally which is not much as my local stores mainly have the slabbed NGC El Cazador Shipwreck portriat reales and some loose with lots of chop marks.

this one was a low quality one but was very low cost


1836Zs OM 8 Reales


Mexico 8 Reales KM# 377.13 1825-1897

my coins weight 26.72g

will add the coins diameter & thickness once caliper comes

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 Posted 04/21/2016  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OcalaFlorida to your friends list
A few more 8R and some random 1 & 2 Reales


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04/22/2016 12:53 am
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 Posted 04/22/2016  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OcalaFlorida to your friends list
Put the completed sections into dansco pages have a album coming for the erlier cap liberty pesos

1920-1945, 1947-1948 (no 1949), 1950

1957-1967

On the second page I am going to remove the small coins and put the varieties overdates, closed 9 and 1933 fallen 3 add another page with a few sets of the 1947, 1948, 1950 repeated withh correct size hole.



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 Posted 04/30/2016  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list
Got my copy of the Don and Lois Bailey volume 2 from Amazon, didn't want to bother them, yes I am credited. The Harris Mexico coin books are nice if you collect Mexico coin books, as a reference I see little value. Buttrey and Hubbard sixth edition is tough to find, fifth edition much easier.
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