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Ebay Scams, And Can You Spot Fake Currency Errors At A Glance

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 Posted 06/10/2016  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list
How could this note get a defined partial 2nd print, and miss the 3rd print completely ?

I have never seen an error like this. I've seen, and own a missing first print (blank back), I've seen a missing second print with 3rd print intact, but never this type of example. I believe this is a post BEP error.
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 Posted 06/10/2016  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Atlas642 to your friends list
Looks like a bleach job to me.

Funny how it just so happens that a perfect portrait of Washington is printed, but the rest is not.
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 Posted 06/10/2016  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alpha2814 to your friends list
There are a couple of places (above the "R" and the left edge of the base) that look like the bleach went a little too far.

The border (on the back, outside the green field) also looks a little wide to me, but I don't have one in front of me for reference.
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 Posted 06/10/2016  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob Levi to your friends list
The cutting errirs drive me nuts. Always a high serial #.
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 Posted 06/10/2016  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
If you take a closer look, you will find the back of the note lacks IGWT, making it a S/Certificate, yet the front makes no mention of the Note being backed by Silver, as they used a FRN front..
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 Posted 06/10/2016  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsearcher83 to your friends list

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If you take a closer look, you will find the back of the note lacks IGWT, making it a S/Certificate, yet the front makes no mention of the Note being backed by Silver, as they used a FRN front..


Actually IGWT was somehow erased from the back.
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 Posted 06/10/2016  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsearcher83 to your friends list
And you can see where the green seal was also erased. Not a new note though; the reverse plate number is too high. 1995 at the latest. It bugs me that I can't figure out the actual series haha
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 Posted 06/11/2016  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
looks like I need to view the listing again, this time on my laptop instead of this Tablet...

When I zoom in on the tablet, the resolution is poor and I see no sign of IGWT
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 Posted 06/11/2016  08:51 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
Click image to see larger version...I can see the "WE TRUST" the best.

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 Posted 06/11/2016  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
Thanks for the photo.. Not sure why anyone would go through the trouble of removing this..

I'm tempted to ask the seller where they found such a unique error..
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 Posted 06/11/2016  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xxJOExx to your friends list
That "error" can't be genuine. The missing portions of the face printing are too neat and symmetrical to have happened without intervention.

The back plate 663 is telling, and I think the note is Series 1963A. Although Series 1995 notes had back plates as high as 694, the data that I've collected indicate that 663 was not used in Series 1995. If true, you have to go back to Series 1963A to find back plates in the 600s, and 663 shows up in that series.

The missing "IN GOD WE TRUST" threw me, and I thought it was a silver certificate. I don't have plate data for silver certificates to know if/where 663 would have been used. Yet if you look closely at the face of the note, it seems to me that there is a faint green treasury seal on the right and faint "ONE" in the same location with a faint "WASHINGTON DC" above, and a faint federal reserve seal on the left, consistent with an FRN but not with a SC.
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 Posted 06/11/2016  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
I know this is not a genuine error, but the seller does not know this - - - - so it is time I play this game and have them think how exciting it is to come across such a awesome error note..
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 Posted 06/12/2016  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
While the seller didn't answer my questions, he did Guarantee that this was a genuine note..
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 Posted 06/14/2016  07:11 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
I asked the seller about still being able to see some of the printing.

They answered "what you are seeing is the reverse side showing through." They are in denial.

I wrote back and told them they were full of it (not in those exact words). I did tell them that they knew or should know they were selling a fake error.
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 Posted 06/15/2016  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
Seller replied "Well, after further inspection I owe you an apology. You are right. it shows much better in the photo then in your hand honestly. It was an honest mistake. I'm still not sure it was bleached. have you seen this before. I was told they stamp it in parts and maybe something happened during the stamping process. thanks for the info. I just didn't want to believe it."

Low and behold, the listing isn't ended. I wrote back and told them they need to cancel the bids and end the listing.

For the record:

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