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Some Recent Metal Detecting Finds. Need Advice On How To Remove Dirt.

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 Posted 08/03/2016  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biedercoins to your friends list
They are nice as is and for gods sake don't use dish soap! I'm serious; just ask around here.
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 Posted 08/03/2016  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add icehat to your friends list
Thanks for the comments and suggestions. I'm trying to figure out how to reply with quotes lol. It's probably obvious but I can't seem to find it.

As for the coins, they have not been harshly cleaned. The quarter looks scratched up in the photo but it's just where the dust is missing and the silver is showing through. So far I have only brushed the quarter under warm water with a soft bristled toothbrush. The LC came out of the same area of dry ground as the quarter and just had a soft brushing to remove some dust. I'll try and post some more pics of the coins soon but the pics above are how the looked after the dig with a light brushing.

They were both found where once stood a church in the early 1800s. It was demolished in the early 1900s and now there's just a grassy field. Other relics were found but these were the only two coins found so far.

I won't use harsh chemicals or soap on the copper. I really want to preserve the green patina for display. I thought about lightly scrapping away the dirt with a toothpick under magnification. What do you guys think about that?
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 Posted 08/03/2016  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list
Soak only, and do NOT rub! Rubbing a toothbrush, cloth, tissue, etc. will scratch the coin and destroy it! Modren coins are different from ancients. Always pat dry, and only if you need to. Leaving to air dry would be the best. Acetone will evaporate in seconds.

I wouldn't use soap, it might react with the metal. First use distilled water, next use acetone. Acetone will remove organic debris but it will not harm the coin. Using a toothpick is fine but only do it under acetone and be very careful not to scratch the surfaces.
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 Posted 08/03/2016  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add icehat to your friends list
Ok thanks. I may try that. Here's some more pics of the quarter.

Any scratches present were caused by being buried for over 100 years because all I did was run under warm water with a soft toothbrush and I let it air dry on a paper towel. It's possible the ground where it was found got pushed around a bit in the past.


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 Posted 08/03/2016  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list
While it's true there may be scratches from it being in the ground (which is why I won't recommend flicking off the dirt when you find a coin metal detecting, but soak it in distilled water instead), a toothbrush will cause hairline scratches. If it's not because of the photography, there are more scratches on the second set of photos than the first one and haloing around the bust. Please don't treat moderns the same way as ancients!

Use distilled water first if you want, use pure acetone only, then leave to air dry.
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 Posted 08/03/2016  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add icehat to your friends list
Thanks. When you say use acetone, do you mean soaking in acetone?

I always bring all my coin finds home in the clump of dirt they were found in. I then put them in a sink full of warm water until most of the dirt falls off. I let them completely air dry and after I rinse them clean while lightly brushing off any remaining dust adhered to the coin. I will try the acetone method on silver from now on. I have many more old coins like this one sitting on a towel waiting to be cleaned.
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 Posted 08/03/2016  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list
Yes, soak it. I usually soak my coins overnight before using a toothpick to carefully remove stubborn dirt. Use pure acetone only, not nail polish remover. Nail polish remover may have additives that can harm the coin.

Also, you don't want to clean coins, you want to conserve them.
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 Posted 08/03/2016  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add icehat to your friends list
Yes thanks. I definitely don't want them shiny new. I want to conserve them for sure. Just the way they are minus the dirt.

I'll try and post more pics soon of other finds and also of my other coins that came my way in the past 30 years of collecting.
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 Posted 08/04/2016  05:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list
Anything that you use to brush or sweep of crap from a coin will leave scratches, especially silver. It's not the utensil that you use, but rather the dirt/grit that moves and leaves the scratch. Very short acetone dips and "swishing" will do some good, but any acetone soak in acetone will discolor the bronze or copper somewhat.

When I used to get dirty ancients, I would soak them in olive oil to loosen the stuff; then running water and ALWAYS use distilled water as a final step in anything that you do. BTW, olive oil works auite well.

I would not waste the money sending them in for certification .. most will not even grade a cleaned coin and the cent will never be worth what it costs to certify .. and even then you will get a "chemical application" or "corrosion" remark on the paper.
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 Posted 08/04/2016  06:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add icehat to your friends list
Ok thanks. Good info. The coins will not be sold anyway. I'm keeping everything for my daughter. Just wondering if it would be worth grading and sealing for the future. Cheers.
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 Posted 08/04/2016  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list
i find olive oil may darken the patina. one method I have used to clean metal detecting finds is put a small cup of peroxide in the microwave for a minute then drop item in,,,it will fizz for hours lifting the dirt
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 Posted 08/04/2016  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list
The only time you have to worry about acetone discolouring the coin is when you're soaking copper that is still red. It might give the coin a purplish tone. But I won't worry about other coins.

I have no experience with olive oil myself, but as far as I know it has an acidic pH and it is insoluble in acetone, so it might be difficult to get off. I've never used peroxide either.
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 Posted 08/04/2016  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex A to your friends list
Olive oil takes a long time and requires much patience. In this case acetone would be the best bet if you decide to clean.
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 Posted 08/05/2016  03:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paxbrit to your friends list
You can clean the coins as advised above, but they are not worth the expense of grading. If you want to seal them, get ahold of some appropriate size Coin World Premier Holders, and you can 'slab' them yourself. The Avery 8195 label is just the right size for a nice, custom label.
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 Posted 08/05/2016  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add icehat to your friends list
Thanks for the advice all.
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