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Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates, were also college dropouts, just to name a few. But I guess that makes them morons too...
Your kidding right? Your reasoning is vacuous. quote:
Would that be reference enough?
Typically you would look for primary sources and leave the internet garbage out. In the field of mathmatics (and possibly economics?) secondary sources could also be appropriate. Incidentally, I never said that the reasoning behind this concept was wrong. My point was more that you let an uneducated individual masquerading as an expert be your spokesperson. I also found it repulsive that you are promoting a video made by the same "news group" that claims the US government committed the 9-11 massacres. Maybe I read into things too much or maybe promoting their products helps them stay in business. |
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Your kidding right? Your reasoning is vacuous.
I used your reasoning, and you did it again when you said "My point was more that you let an uneducated individual masquerading as an expert be your spokesperson". My point is this: The fact that someone dropped out of college does not make them "uneducated." So maybe they don't have a signed piece of paper to reassure them and show everyone that they are 'educated', but that does not, in any way, make them 'uneducated'. quote:
My point was more that you let an uneducated individual masquerading as an expert be your spokesperson.
Nowhere in that video did I see this guy claim to be an expert. And besides, who says that you have to be 'an expert' to explain some little know facts about the worlds monetary systems? quote:
I also found it repulsive that you are promoting a video made by the same "news group" that claims the US government committed the 9-11 massacres. Maybe I read into things too much or maybe promoting their products helps them stay in business.
Who cares what site initially supported and hosted, or even produced, the video? And just to be argumentative, how do you know that the US govt wasn't behind 9-11? Or the Oklahoma City bombing too? And besides, when did it become a crime to have an unpopular opinion about something? I mean come on! This isn't NAMBLA or something... A few years ago a very popular 'news group' said some unconfirmed "facts" about a certain Republican presidential nominee, that were later proven to be untrue. Do you still watch that station? But I digress. What I really want to know is this: Other then the first few seconds and the last minute or so, exactly what part of that clip is "garbage." Edited by MorganNoob
03/13/2008 6:48 pm
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"Will those coins end up no more than relics of our history with no true monetary value?" I don't believe there really is a yes or no answer to this. Value is anything that people agree is value. Price is determined by supply and demand. Demand in coin collecting can change on a whim. At one time no one cared about mint marks, now they care too much about them. No one cared that much about 1955 DDO's at one time. Jim Ruddy was selling them for 25c each in the 60'. A small die crack on a Morgan VAM can be worth hundreds or thousands but a small crack skull on a Lincoln might be doing well if it sold for $10. MorganNoob have you ever seen this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods |
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I don't know anything about the Amero,
I'm familiar with the UPCENTO (unread paranoid conspiracy enthusiast new-world-order traded-O )
It's marketed to people who don't pay attention to world events generally.
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Lastly, the Euro unites 27 sovereign states, whereas the Amero would only unite three. Mathematically, the efficiency gained is insignificant
it's not that simple. Canada and Mexico are the US's 2 largest trading partners, a closer economic relationship between the US and those 2 countries could give the US more economic stability. Resources like oil and natural gas give a currency more value and Canada is at the top in terms of oil and gas reserves and Mexico is a large producer. Edited by grmike
03/13/2008 9:35 pm
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mFrank--people said that same thing about the Euro for twenty years before its creation.
Amero talks will be around for a VERY long time. The only way they are going to go away is if: a) it comes true or b) the planet Earth is invaded by brain-eating space aliens intend on eating to brains of any living person with the education of a standard 5 grader or better and then taking the "fortunate" children and mentally challenged adults and putting them in work camps where they slave for hours upon hours digging deep into the Earth in search of an ancient Brain-Eating-Space-Alien artifact that was lost ions ago in the time before man had yet invented history...or something like that.
The Amero theories remind my much of the JFK/RFK killings--rumors, opinions, facts, lies, theories, movies, books, and some pretty convincing data from both sides yet we STILL talk about it 40+ years later. And we will talk about until 2063/2068 when the CIA releases the rest of their "top-secret" Kennedy info...and if the new info says it was Lee Harvy Oswald and a couple of lucky shots...we'll STILL hear about it!
longnine009: I love your signature--Atlas Shrugged helped shape my mind from a young young age.
"Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked, 'Account overdrawn.' "
I pray to the gods I will one day be able to write so elegantly. Beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
--Gary
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it's not that simple. Canada and Mexico are the US's 2 largest trading partners
Actually, China is number two... http://dataweb.usitc.gov/scripts/cy_m3_run.aspquote:
a closer economic relationship between the US and those 2 countries could give the US more economic stability.
Using this argument, we should include China in the Amero.  But I am not going to disagree with you since there are pros and cons for a unified currency. My point is, mathematically, the Euro has a larger impact since it eliminated a significantly larger number of currency exchanges. IMHO, when the US Dollar is strong, it is the de facto unified currency; when it is weak, talk of an Amero as a de jure unified currency gets discussed. |
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Using this argument, we should include China in the Amero.
Wouldn't work, cause then we would have to call it the Chamero, or possibly the Camero for you chevy boys. I don't like Amerona either. Nope, wouldn't work cause the name would suck... |
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Using this argument, we should include China in the Amero.
China's low per capita gdp and huge consumption of resources like oil and natural gas would probably hurt the currency. Canada and Mexico produce almost twice as much oil than they consume and their combined gdp per capita is almost 17,500 dollars. (based on 2008 estimates of nominal gdp 1528 billion for Canada, 940 billion for Mexico). Edited by grmike
03/14/2008 1:12 pm
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Like I said, I won't disagree with you that the economic relationship between Canada, Mexico, and the US is way more helpful that hurtful. I meant to have the "China" comment with the first quote, not where I had it after the second; I did not mean to imply that "a closer economic relationship" between the US and China would be beneficial. That is a whole other discussion. The question is whether an Amero would be beneficial to North America. Right now, *I* don't think it would. |
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Canada and Mexico each offer something that the US will need in the long run if it intends to keep the power away from China and the EU.
Mexico gives it a huge a population to work with. China and India are examples of countries that really only have people, even with such low per capita gdp's, their ppp gdp gets inflated as a result of their population, because of that a lot of people start treating them like the next super powers and that leads to more investment going their way. A united North America would have
about the same population as the EU
about the same size gdp
given the enormous amount of oil and gas resources in Canada and Mexico the 'Amerco' should easily be able to match the Euro in value and global popularity.
The Euro and EU has helped Spain's economy a lot, the Amero could do the same for Mexico.
But still I don't think that erasing the borders (which would eventually happen) is the answer especially with the problems the US has with illegal immigrants.
It could start off with Canada and the US sharing the same currency just to see how it would do.
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It could start off with Canada and the US sharing the same currency just to see how it would do.
I have had this discussion many times in the past, especially since the company I work for does a lot of business in Canada. It is something that I could support. IMHO, with the our Dollars trading so close, now would be a time to do it, by simply setting a fixed rate of exchange between $US and $CAN. This would allow us to keep our existing coins since we already use the same terminology. The paper money, being more distinguishable between the two countries, might require some discussion. Maybe we can finally ditch the one and two dollar bills down here? This idea is not unprecedented; the Bahamian Dollar and Bermudian Dollar are pegged to the US Dollar. |
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This idea is not unprecedented; the Bahamian Dollar and Bermudian Dollar are pegged to the US Dollar.
actually there are a lot of countries that have their currency based on ours. I can't think of any others right off the top of my head, but I know that there are. |
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Yup, there are more, but those are the two I always remember...
I have a Bahamas coin set my brother got me when he visited there. The set has a "COA" that explains the history and how they are tied to the US Dollar. A mutual friend that went with him on that trip then told me how Bermuda was the same way.
I am not a "darksider" but I know he overpaid for them as a "tourist" gimmick; however, the sentiment is priceless!
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QUOTE GFR3 "longnine009: I love your signature--Atlas Shrugged helped shape my mind from a young young age."
I only wish I had read it 20 years ago. Artists, particularly novelists, IMO, are the best futurists and they don't even know it. They simply write what they want and dont't bother to justify anything with logic and rationale, which are the exact things that can never precede shock & surprise.
"He felt safe in the oak tree's presence; it was a thing that
nothing could change or threaten; it was his greatest symbol of
strength.
One night, lightning struck the oak tree. Eddie saw it the next
morning. It lay broken in half, and he looked into its trunk as
into the mouth of a black tunnel. The trunk was only an empty shell;
its heart had rotted away long ago; there was nothing inside--just a
thin gray dust that was being dispersed by the whim of the faintest
wind. The living power had gone, and the shape it left had not
been able to stand without it."
Atlas Shrugged--Ayn Rand
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