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Just to update the thread. The 1891 coin in question ICCS graded coin MS64 coin has been tagged as counterfeit by PCGS under cert # 82155118.
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Is that the same coin from the thread that SPP linked?
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It is the truly the beginning of the end of collecting coins. I don't know what techniques PCGS uses, but I certainly don't have the expertise to know an ICCS certified coin as being counterfeit. ICCS grades tons of Canadian coins, and for them to have certified who knows how many counterfeit coins leaves me speechless, as a collector and buyer.
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She's noted for it .. buyer beware!
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The seller has 100% reproduction coins. I'm looking at the completed sales, and many coins were sold for crazy prices. So sad.
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You've got to be a complete idiot to bid on a raw coin originating from a Chinese seller, no matter how good the coin looks. Upon very careful and magnified examination of the pictures of these completed items (that some went for extremely high amounts) there is evidence of the coins being fake. I must admit, the very first time I saw these coins for sale on ebay, I was intrigued and thought about bidding, but the fact that the seller was in China, stopped me dead in my bidding tracks. Also, there were a few of them that did look like fakes right away. |
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doubleeagle59: You might certainly be correct... but what if I was THAT idiot... and I bought the coin... then a few years later I decided to sell it on ebay... now you're looking at an uncertified coin from a canadian seller.... then what? Perhaps only buy certified coins.... well we now know ICCS has made a blunder and uncertain as to how many.... The big issue is that there are people making fakes... and to a larger degree ebay is allowing these to get to a world wide market really easily.... eventually these fakes will be discovered but not until they have burned a few in the process... that's the sad part. |
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Any one of those Canadian coins would have been certified by ICCS.
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AgCoinAu...totally agree with you.
TheCoinHunter....I disagree.
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Three of mine did...Their origins were likley probably from the same source.
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Since there was a discussion about this coin(s)on both threads. I will duplicate post here from the 1891 thread.
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For the sake of interest (and some awe factor) SPP put this coin under an XRF with the following results.
94.92% Cu
3.53% Sn
0.71% Zn
Which according to Roger falls within the parameters of a regular Victorian cent. As do the weight diameter and thickness mentioned above.
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Many many moons ago on the CCRS I had the temerity to suggest that someone who had the skill to counterfeit a Victorian 50 cent piece could easily reproduce an ICCS flip. There STILL is no online registry so buyer beware. This is so easily fixed but it seems that no one gives a FRA. The credibility of the countries most trusted TPG has suffered serious damage from their failure to adapt to readily available technology. |
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