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Bedrock of the Community
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This being a Trade dollar .. and details of the coin having a odd look. Is it whizzed ... good chance .. But could a fake coin get whizzed as much as a AU authentic coin? There are areas of the coin that are flat .. wear? For example the eagle on the reverse has great details, but the area near the start of the motto is weak. The foot really bothers me, on the obverse. When things don't look right on a Trade dollar, further checking is required. I would want magnet test, weight and silver tested .. before sending it into a TPG. Would I buy this coin for a lot of money .. no. I would not buy it for good deal money. There is to much of a chance of it being fake. |
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It very well may be real but as others have pointed out only if it has been whizzed and whizzed substantially. The coin's surface has an unusual look to it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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100% fake. Note the type 1 ribbons, missing lines in foot, but the giveaway is the reverse with short leaf but long arrowhead.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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United States
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100% fake. Note the type 1 ribbons, missing lines in foot, but the giveaway is the reverse with short leaf but long arrowhead. Maybe we should have a review. The diagnostics you pointed out are perfectly fine. The design changed in 1876, so Type 1 devices on an 1875 are completely reasonable.   As for the missing lines in the foot, see this PCGS-certified MS-63 1874 (Type I) Trade dollar. No lines whatsoever.  Still going with 100% fake? Edited by TypeCoin971793
10/22/2016 12:11 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Nope, you're right, TypeCoin, I forgot about the changeover and the 1/2 - 2/1 coins. That being said, the right obverse appears to have very rough and pitted surfaces, as well as the top obverse, and the right reverse. In addition, the reverse shows excellent detail on the eagle, in fact, improbably excellent detail, but the obverse has mushy, flat design details, especially in the drapery and the face. Note also that the right obverse is fully struck (as evidenced by clearly separated stars) but S1-S2 and S4-S5 show weakness that is not explainable by a poor strike and there is no evidence of MAD. If the coin had been heavily whizzed, I would expect to see major hairlines and an even amount of loss of details on both obverse and reverse, yet no visible hairlines are present. Yet another mark against this coin is the evenness of the color between both sides of the coin -- this could be explained by dipping. However, dipping wouldn't explain the odd appearance of the denticles between S7-S10.
So to sum it up, you have a coin with exactly the same color on both sides, details that range from VF+ to Unc on the same side of the coin, partial roughness and porosity on both sides but not covering the entire coin, no direct evidence of harsh mechanical cleaning, an implausibly well detailed eagle, and all of this on a coin that is the 2nd most expensive date / MM for the series.
My amended verdict would be "inconclusive but moderately possible that coin may be either a forgery or heavily altered/doctored." If it is real, and if it didn't have any issues, it would be a $1100-$1600 coin.
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Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
10/22/2016 01:07 am
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All the things you describe fit the description of a whizzed coin perfectly. At least a picture of one.  |
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Well this coin is for sale on ebay right now -- 282228494675Here is the description "Beautiful Trade dollar. Coin in picture is coin you will receive". ----------- This is a type 1 obverse with a type 1 reverse, which is a valid combination for 1875. ----------- I agree with paralyse regarding the unnatural "wear" on this coin, the stars in front of Liberty's legs are FLAT, but the eagle's breast is sharper than a proof. Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here)Edited by nss-52
10/22/2016 08:54 am
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United States
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If you start with an AU coin, wouldn't the wear have already taken away the detail? It wouldn't be missing that much detail,and the wear pattern doesn't match an AU. I still don't like the coin as a genunine piece. |
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United States
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I am changing my opinion on the OP coin to questionable authenticity. I have taken some photos of my PCGS XF45 CAC 1875 S that has a type 1 obverse and compared them to the OP coin. Note the lower part of the ribbon extends much farther on the OP coin. The stars are entirely different on the op coin as there is no separation between the star tips, and the lack of any toe detail on the OP coin is a concern. I would recommend to the OP that the raw coin be sent into a TPG for authenticity before being sold on ebay. My PCGS 1875 S:  OP Coin:  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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@Slider
Also look at the different fonts for the word "IN" included in your pics.
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United States
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Oh, I didn't realize that the OP and the ebay seller were the same person. I sent the OP a message via ebay asking for the weight and thickness, and he delisted the coin. The stars looked weird to me as well, and I have no explanation for how that happened. The inconsistency in the ribbon is intriguing as well. All I know is that the luster is completely wrong and I would have avoided this coin in the first place. Without in-hand inspection, I would say that it is impossible to say with certainty that this coin is genuine or fake from just the pictures. |
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Canada
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Boom gone...... it was reported as questionable authenticity.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The stars are totally off. Whizzing moves metal around, but it doesn't move it THAT much.
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United States
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Boom gone...... it was reported as questionable authenticity. ebay did not remove it, the seller ended the listing. Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here)Edited by nss-52
10/22/2016 3:07 pm
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Canada
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I also reported it. Quite frankly this counterfeit stuff is getting just a tad rediculous. Ruining the entire hobby.
Edited by Pacificoin
10/22/2016 11:30 pm
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