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Pillar of the Community
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I don't think you are, I think it's the combination - work hardening changes crystal structure (that's why annealing and softening work using the same tool: heat). I think there is also a preference when forming crystals to avoid 'foreign' atoms. But both Nickel and Copper are transition metals and so the bonding structure isn't as simple as non-metals. But that's all from memory of chemistry class long, long ago. I couldn't find anything that actually talks to how it works, just a couple of videos showing the process.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Thanks, guys! There are a lot of things on that site that seem to run counter-intuitive to the things I'm learning here. Coin baths and coin cleaning solutions, cloths to WIPE coins with, etc. I'm guessing they all have their place when someone knows what they're doing.
The main reason I was looking was to see if there was something specifically to remove PVC from copper coins. I'm getting mixed info as to whether acetone is a good option.
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Pillar of the Community
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A dateless Buffalo nickel is worth about 15-25 cents. A nic-a-dated common buffalo is worth 5-10 cents. A nic-a-dated key date is worth maybe 25-50% of what a partial date would bring (it leaves an ugly stain) but remember that it was a 15 cent coin previously. You're basically gambling 5 cents on whether it is a better date. I would only do it on coins with a mintmark, and NEVER do it on a Type 1 raised mound.
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Rest in Peace
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< twslisa > , For PVC I would use acetone , for Verdigris I would use a chemical called Verd-a-care created by one of our members . 
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Quote: This only works on Nickels with their higher % of Nickel in the alloy than copper-nickel coins. Nickels and Cu-Ni clad coins (outer layers) are both 25% nickel to 75% copper.
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However, the surface 25/75 layer is fairly thin because the overall % is 8.33 so the work hardening cannot go very deep on clad coinage before hitting the softer solid copper core.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Acetone is ideal for removing PVC, been using it for 30 years without incident.
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Quote: However, the surface 25/75 layer is fairly thin because the overall % is 8.33 so the work hardening cannot go very deep on clad coinage before hitting the softer solid copper core. That is a much better explanation. 
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Pillar of the Community
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Here is one I tried. The chemical was common vinegar. The coin, a Liberty head nickel. before:  after:  Theoretically, I didn't destroy much value. It's still worth 5 cents.
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I made a pic once, illustrating how acids actually reveal the date.  As I understand it, it is the alignment of the crystal structure within the metal (caused by the metal "flowing" as it is compressed when the coin is made) that is the root cause. The acid does not make the date itself "stand out", but it does turn the outline of each of the numerals in the date into a shallow trough, which can then be seen, as it is the transition zone between date and field that is most vulnerable to acid attack.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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So another question... It's not something I have to deal with now, but I love colorful, toned coins. Sooner or later I'm bound to get one that has a little PVC. Does acetone remove toning?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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T-BOP, what is that ratio of peroxide to vinegar again? I know you posted it one time, but I forgot to bookmark the link.
CRH Nickeloholic. 1,600,000 nickels searched in eight years! Have found FOUR complete Jefferson sets!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Now that I recall, there was some peroxide in the vinegar. I should write this down.
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Excellent explanation, Sap. 
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