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HI Is This Real Or Fake ?

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 Posted 01/18/2017  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RogerRamjet to your friends list
I'm pretty sure it's fake. Here's what a real one looks like... https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...0-duid-29001 However, it looks old so it may have been a contemporary fake, which some folks collect. I doubt it has significant value but I woudn't toss it in the trash.
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 Posted 01/18/2017  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list
Roger, the OPs coin is supposed to be an 8 escudos, not 8 reales.
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 Posted 01/18/2017  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldephriam to your friends list
If it's a real fake, then it's fake.

If it's a fake fake then is it real?
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 Posted 01/18/2017  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list
What if it's a fake real?
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 Posted 01/18/2017  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Iwannado to your friends list
What if ? Because This matches the other " fakes " maybe the " real one " was licensed to a modern facility back then and the " fake " ones were licensed to a open fire type facility in the Caribbean therefore perhaps it's real , i/e different mints ? Or maybe a variety like the 1982 LMC"s.... ?
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 Posted 01/19/2017  12:02 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list

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If it's a real fake, then it's fake.


It's just plain wrong. There is no escudo whatsoever for making real fakes!
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 Posted 01/19/2017  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
To me, just the details of the bust are obviously faked, digits seem wrong shapes. Hard to imaging an "authorized" coin would be that way.
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 Posted 01/19/2017  12:34 am  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list
This is a genuine piece sold through HA:

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This is the Lima mint and there were other mints, but they all look like this.
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 Posted 01/19/2017  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldephriam to your friends list
@spruett001 - if it is a fake real then it is a real fake real.

But say the mint made a real real base on the fake real then it could be called a real fake real thus making it real. Another way of looking at it is that fakes are fakes and reals are reals thus fake reals are fake and real fake reals are real but never confuse a real fake with a fake real, just because both are fake does not make them both the same. So as we delve into the world of real fakes and fake reals it is important to keep the heads up to determine the fakes and reals because no one wants a real real fake but everyone will take a real real (fake or not).

Sorry guys, I'm just in a really good mood now and I think my head is going to explode, no fakes just real.
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 Posted 01/19/2017  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Iwannado to your friends list
Nope I don't believe it,I think the NGC coin is a fake ,,,, the NGC coin has too much intrinsic detail for back then
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 Posted 01/19/2017  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list
Did you take a look at the link I posted?

Here's another that is from the same year, same mint (Santiago) that yours appears to be:

http://www.coindatabase.com/coin_de...?cdb=M260103
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 Posted 01/20/2017  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RogerRamjet to your friends list

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Roger, the OPs coin is supposed to be an 8 escudos, not 8 reales.


spruett001, thanks for setting me straight. Surprised I missed that. That makes it even faker. ;-)
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 Posted 01/20/2017  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RogerRamjet to your friends list

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Nope I don't believe it,I think the NGC coin is a fake ,,,, the NGC coin has too much intrinsic detail for back then

If you're being serious, you're confused. The NGC coin is typical of high grade examples. Your coin is supposed to be gold and it isn't. There is no chance yours is real. Sorry.
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 Posted 01/20/2017  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susuman to your friends list
The details are certainly real, but the coin is not a Real but an Escudo. So, can an Escudo be real? But if it is real, then it can't be fake. But, it is an Escudo, and therefore can not be a Real coin, so all must be fake by definition. So, the coin is a fake Real Escudo.

Oh, my head hurts...
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 Posted 01/20/2017  01:43 am  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list
Ok, I think that's enough Real/real jokes; it's making it confusing for me.

The OP's coin is supposed to be a 1792 Spanish Colonial 8 Escudos (or Doubloon) which should be a large gold coin. The Santiago mint is known mostly for the gold Escudos. The OP's coin is obviously not gold. I found a connection to Buster Brown promotional tokens of the 1960s and 70s but no attributable source. These, apparently, we're made of plated pewter which would fit the looks of the OP's coin more appropriately.

The design elements of the (genuine) NGC coin are certainly within the capabilities of late 18th-century mints. If it is genuine, then it should weight approx. 27 grams and be approx. 37 mm on diameter.

Beyond that, I can keep posting images of different genuine examples from different mints, but I think there's already enough information here to determine its authenticity.

Edit: Maybe I'm too interested in this topic but a genuine example is worth sooooo much more than a fake (if worth anything at all) that I could not ignore it.

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