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1870 LCw 50 Cents. You Vs. PCGS/ICCS (With Updated Photos)

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 Posted 08/19/2017  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
MS-63.
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 Posted 08/20/2017  01:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
AU58
I think the disturbance DEVLEC notes on the cheek is actually wear.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 08/20/2017  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list
I'm more inclined to agree with an AU55-58 grade, very nice coin.
Is there doubling in the "0" of the denomination?

Cheers, Bill
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 Posted 08/20/2017  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter4805 to your friends list
Good day everyone and thanks for your input.

Devlec, my photographic skills are sorely lacking. I compared the photos of the coin that I took with ones that the seller had posted. Theirs were much superior to mine so I am re-posting them here. I don't usually like to do that part way through a thread but I owe the participants here the most accurate photos available.

Hounddog Bill, yes there is a slight doubling on the zero. It shows better when the coin is held at a slight angle.


1870--LCw-50-Cents.-You-Vs.-PCGS/ICCS-With-Updated-Photos
1870--LCw-50-Cents.-You-Vs.-PCGS/ICCS-With-Updated-Photos
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08/20/2017 12:01 pm
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 Posted 08/20/2017  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Much better pics. At least 63.
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 Posted 08/20/2017  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverCoinz to your friends list
wow those pictures change everything! absolutely beautiful coin. I would estimate MS-63
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 Posted 08/20/2017  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialtokens to your friends list
MS 65
I like the crispness of the initial LCW.

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 Posted 08/20/2017  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paulsz to your friends list
With the new pics i'd say a 64. PCGS looks at the devices more, and with the hit on the neck, cheek and hair, I don't think they'd give a 65
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 Posted 08/21/2017  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list
MS62...Just to be different....
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 Posted 08/21/2017  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list
Now the game changes with these newer pics..

Everyone should start guesstimating again..

MS 65 with these extremely clean fields..(no watercolour painting in these pics)

Super coin.!!
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 Posted 08/21/2017  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list
I am aware of the grade and someone did nail it. It is a MS coin. From the auction listing " A fully struck
example with an early die state reverse that has lightly cameoed devices on semi-mirrored fields. A very
lustrous piece that has an attractive pale golden toning with light amber and slate blue accents in the
legends and devices". A nice coin as all MS Victorian fifty cent pieces are very scarce.
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 Posted 08/21/2017  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list
Beauty coin, those dies are so sharp, looks specimen, though I don't think it's a true specimen.

I'll say ms62 I can't rap my head around the coin looking a little handled even though it looks gem.
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 Posted 08/21/2017  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter4805 to your friends list
Both ICCS and PCGS gave this coin a grade of MS-63. I think it might have done better if not for the hit on Victoria's neck and some chatter on the reverse below and to the right of the crown.

Thanks again to everyone who participated.


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 Posted 08/22/2017  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list
In my earlier post I was referring to TheCoinHunter as nailing the grade. This coin appeared in the 2000 CNA auction
where it did not sell. It was graded as a PCGS 62 at that time. It was upgraded to a 63 sometime between 2002-2005
Congratulations Peter4805 if you achieved the upgrade. Best of both worlds as it is graded as a 63 by PCGS and ICCS.
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 Posted 08/22/2017  08:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter4805 to your friends list
Everest, I bought the coin recently as it is graded now. Thanks for the interesting back story on it I wasn't aware of any of that.
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