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Excellent group and write up. I don't have very many empresses, but I do have one of hers.  
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Which struck you as "most masculine"?
Siscia ( the second one ) definitely looks like one lady I wouldn't mess with. Very interesting post. I only have one wife on a coin in my small ancient collection. Cornelia Salonina? Maybe a relative?
Edited by TNG 08/29/2017 6:29 pm
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Quote: Which struck you as "most masculine"? I was thinking it, but you said it!  Really nice write-up by the way.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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 Spain
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Here's my humble offering... Galeria Valeria AD 305-311, AE follis of Thessalonica. Obverse > GAL VALE-RIA AVG, Diademed bust facing, head right, hair weaved in rows and curled around side of head at base of neck, wearing embroidered robes with two necklaces. Reverse > VENERI V-ICTRICI,Venus standing facing, head left, apple in uplifted right hand, raising drapery over left shoulder with left hand. Star in left field,Gamma in right field. Mintmark > dot SM dot TS dot. RIC VI Thessalonica 36; Officina 3, AD December 308- May 310. Size: 27.63mm Weight: 5.79 grams  Superb write up lrb as always really informative thank you! Saludos Paul
Edited by Palouche 08/30/2017 4:15 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks, Paul, you have given us a nice thumbnail description of the reverse type that was used for all the mints, with some slight variations from city to city. The obverse is harder to nail down, but the design at Thessalonika was a bit more decorative than some. Nice coin BTW.
Thanks also to everyone who posted a thought, comment, or best of all showed us a coin (Ron). That is much appreciated.
Still needed: We could use examples from other officinae, anything from Nicomedia, and obverse styles not already shown. Our goal is to chart the diversity of approach to the subject by different celators. For instance, we now have examples from the alpha, beta, gamma, and delta officinae of Thessalonica. From these we can see that there were essentially two interpretations of how her hair was to be treated. Which of those interpretations came first? Did they vary over time, or only by officina? Did any single officina use BOTH styles?
Show us your coins for her and help us see more clearly.
Edited by lrbguy 08/30/2017 09:54 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Great info and coins, Irb. Thanks for sharing. I have to agree with TheNickelGuy that the Siscia version is a bit frightening - definitely not someone to mess with.
Paul, your "humble offering" is in fact outstanding!
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Very informative writeup on some great coins. Thanks for taking the time to put this together. I have not added any empresses ... yet.
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Pillar of the Community
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@ lrbguy...I've been looking at her coins lately and one thing that seems to be unique with the 2nd style of Thessalonica mint is the double string necklace.....Any thoughts?
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Pillar of the Community
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I think you are correct, Paul, about the dual strand necklace at Thessalonika. While working on the writeup for another one of the women, I ran into a special note that gives some context to what you are seeing. For effigies on silver if we go all the way back to Sabina (and before I am sure) we observe that irrespective of the treatment of the hair for the empresses, their clothing is most generally subdued as a simple draping of the figure with little embelleshment. Most of the examples we have seen for Gal Val follow that pattern. However, the examples from Serdica and Heraclea show the addition of a simple necklace, while at Siscia and Thessalonica the bust may be diademed, draped, and even mantled. Commenting on this treatment of a later empress, Patrick Bruun in RIC associates this "look", hair and body, with Magnia Urbica, calling it her "style". If you go back to her thread http://goccf.com/t/280149 and scroll down to the pics added by Eddop you will see the innovation to which Bruun refers. Disregarding hair we do not see anything so elaborate prior to this empress. There you will see the multi strand necklace in use at Ticinum.
Edited by lrbguy 08/31/2017 11:57 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Irbgy, I'd give that a big "like" if we had them. That's an impressive representation of the mints. I'll bet there is not a single other list member attempting to get all the mints for Galeria Valeria. Setting your own collecting goals is one of the neatest things about collecting ancients. You can collect some group that appeals to you without everyone else collecting the same thing and snapping up all the best ones.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thank you Warren. Truth be told she fell into the mint rep thing as part of how I pursue the bronze of the first Tetrarchy. I am fascinated by the little distinctions each mint introduced as part of making their products distinctive, as I am sure it was required. For me, collecting LRB is about collecting the mints. If there is a connection to the larger political or personal history of the honored subject, so much the better.
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Pillar of the Community
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Excellent write up and wonderful commentary thus far. Here is my one example. Nicomedia mint. RIC 57b 
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Pillar of the Community
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How perfect EFLC, the one mint I do NOT have. Now if we can only find another one, he he. Good job!!
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Pillar of the Community
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Finally got one of her coins! Actually I have been sitting on this one for a while; just got around to editing the images to upload Serdicca mint  I went for one with the most feminine bust I could find. Interestingly, the bust rests on a crescent, as with the antoninianii of the earlier part of that century. The crescent originally was intended to denote a double denomination, but here it doesn't seem to... is it simply decorative?
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AE Follis Obv: GAL VALERIA AVG, Diademed & draped bust right. Rev: VENERI VICTRICI, Venus standing left holding an apple. A left, * right in fields. MKV in ex. Mint: Cyzicus Minted: 309-310AD Dimension: 27mm Weight: 5.4 grams Ref: RIC 58  
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