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1964-D Kennedy Half Dollar Reverse Die Question

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 Posted 06/04/2008  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
Hello

Would someone please post a clear pic or pics.
of a business strike 1964-D Kennedy half dollar reverse.
Closeups of the FG initials and the area around the stars
in the spikes would be nice.

Thank You.
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 Posted 06/05/2008  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list
I'll try to get some up here tomorrow unless someone beats me to it.

Thanks,
Bill
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 Posted 06/05/2008  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list
Hi,
These are pictures that you can compare with. Use your mouse to click on the images and they will be magnified. I hope they help.
Bill

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 Posted 06/05/2008  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
Thank you very much for the great pics.
Well, seems like I have an oddity here then.
If the pics. you just posted are of a 64-D business strike reverse
then my coin has a different reverse. If you look at the two attributes I am referring to on both reverses you will see what I mean I.E.: The G in FG, one is straight one has a serif. The vertical rays are broken going through the stars on one and not broken on the other (same attributes as a 64 proof accented hair reverse) I have been researching all I can and have a job ahead of me. ?
Multiple reverse die sets used for a 64-D ?
Rare variety ?
Transitional ?
Maybe someone on here who is an expert on kenn. halfs or who knows someone who is, could help me out.
Maybe another post, but have many questions about the kenn. transitional varieties as well. They mention clading when they talk about them. Going from 1964 to 1965. But a 65 through 70 still shows
a silver edge, no clading. ? It's still 40% silver.
My coin shows the attributes (both obv. and rev. for this type variety). What a quandry. How to test for 90% or 40% silver first
without ruining the coin (just in case)then going on from there.
Thank you all for your input so far. Not going to get my hopes up here until all the facts are in. But in researching the transitionals,
the price tag on these start at around 2 grand and go up from there.
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 Posted 06/06/2008  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
I mentioned in my last post that I was not sure how to differentiate
between 90% and 40% silver on kennedy halfs without ruining them.
My mistake, Duh :) Just weigh them. Simple enough. 12.5 grams = 90%
11.5 = 40% (mine is 90%)
Sometimes ya feel like a nut - Sometimes ya don't !!
Still no more info on my coin. Still searching.

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 Posted 06/06/2008  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The 1964-D has the mint mark on the reverse, so it wouldn't be a proof die, unless a hub for a proof reverse 1/2 dollar got sent to Denver by mistake. But if that happened, then there would be a lot more examples and we would have heard about it? But new varieties are being found all the time.
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 Posted 06/06/2008  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seattleMD to your friends list
The 1965 to 70 is copper / silver clad and shows clad edges, though the clad coloring is obviously different from the nickel / copper clad of 71+. Are you saying you don't see the silver / copper color split on those coins evident on clad varieties?

BTW - you definitely do have a different reverse so I'll be curious to know what you find out. This is the first I've heard of 64D's with different reverses.

I believe it's all but impossible for you to have a proof coin with a D mint mark.
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 Posted 06/06/2008  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yinzi50 to your friends list
Indian1:

Thanks for the topic and I applaud for your attention to details.

I checked all my 1964-D (16 total). 9 of them are "broken rays", 7 are "solid rays". So to answer your question, it's not a rarity.

This also happens in 1964-p JFKs. Out of 180 pieces, I found 12 are "broken rays". It may happens in other years but I did not check them.

I love JFK and thank you for studying them. I always wish someone study more of this series. It is a under-studied series.
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 Posted 06/07/2008  01:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
Nice to hear some good info on this coin.
I thought I would never find out what was going on here.
It is not a clad so to answer one post. It is a D and not a proof.
Thank's Yinzi for verifying others have been found. I just wish there
was some more info on the different die varities on Kennedy halves.
Curious now on some numbers of this reverse ?
Rare, probably not, but collectible ? Maybe
Thank's all again.
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 Posted 06/11/2008  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
I was reading an article on the 64 PR accented hair kennedy
(i also have one) and the author mentioned he also found the same type rev. in his searches. He was using his find as an example that
the rev. diagnostics for an acct. hair are not always reliable.
He called this a pairing of obv. die #2 with rev. die #1
(this is what I have on the 64-D ) He then referred this pairing as a Transitional Variety. Did not mention anything about clading.
Ken Potter made references to this variety and stated it is listed in Breen's. Maybe someone out there could look up this variety (transitional) in breens, and let me know if it is only on clad halfs
period. I just want to put this issue to sleep if this 64-D is definately not a Trans. variety.
Thank you.
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 Posted 07/03/2008  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rockdude to your friends list
I have two 1964-d's and they have different positions for the stars. Please excuse the pointer in my microscope, I should remove it. I guess the second one is the "Transitional Variety".

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 Posted 07/03/2008  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list
Hi Rock, leave the pointer. My opinion, it makes it much easier to see what people are talking about.
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 Posted 07/03/2008  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rockdude to your friends list
OK you talked me into it.
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 Posted 07/03/2008  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
Hi

Your first pic. is the normal reverse.(Type #2)
The second pic. is the Type #1 reverse.
The rays that normally go through the stars are broken.
Also on this type reverse the G in "FG" has a straight loop
with no serif at the top. (Look at my other pics.)for the difference.
I also recently learned that this Type #1 rev. is not rare but not the norm. Also, it is rarer on the 64-P. No real numbers on it yet though.
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 Posted 07/03/2008  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

Quote:
The 1964-D has the mint mark on the reverse, so it wouldn't be a proof die, unless a hub for a proof reverse 1/2 dollar got sent to Denver by mistake.

All of the ies were made in Philadelphia a that time so a reverse could be hubbed with the proof hub and then stamped with the D mintmark.

Has there been any work done to see if there was a different hub starting in 65? The quarter dollar has different hubs for 64 and 65. If there was it should also be watched for on the 64 and 64 D since they were boh minted well into 1965.
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