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Interesting Ebay Auction - 1970 S Lincoln Cent Strike Doubling.

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 Posted 05/06/2018  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Correct. This is not a doubled die, it is common Machine Doubling found a lot on the 1968-1972 cents. They don't mention MD on the slabs as they view that is normal on the coins. We are the ones that know what it is and what it isn't.
It is Machine Doubling, damaged after the coin was struck with movement with the die.
It is not hub doubling. If it were the devices would be enlarged from normal size, instead of being reduced smaller than normal size. the area that everyone looks for when searching for doubled dies is the edge of the devices. Hub doubling enlarges the devices in the center of the devices. This is called spread. Spread is the distance the hub was in an incorrect alignment during the die creation process. Note the affected area on this coin:
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Note the spread in the center of the devices? On the right side you can see some Machine Doubling. This is not the area to see a doubled die when searching. Look at the central area of the device. Another one?
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Again note the spread, but the doubling in the center is where to look for a doubled die. Not on the edge of the devices. All you will see there is Machine Doubling. Again Machine Doubling does not increase the size of devices, it reduces the size. Your coin shows it well. It is not a doubled die. So where should you look for doubling on a doubled die?
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05/06/2018 4:15 pm
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 Posted 05/06/2018  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HoboNickelCarver to your friends list
Thank you all for your replies. I appreciate your expertise.
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 Posted 05/07/2018  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
This is pretty sad for the seller, but it's very funny to me since he wasted all of that money on grading. This is the reason why you should do more research first and know the differences.
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 Posted 05/07/2018  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Come here and learn free. We all live and learn. Making the right choices helps.
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 Posted 05/08/2018  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ilikeabecoins to your friends list

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So where should you look for doubling on a doubled die?


Say it with me, "In the middle of the devices. Not on the edges."
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 Posted 05/08/2018  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
That's right Coop. You can learn for free by coming here on CCF. If he did, he would have saved a lot of money.
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 Posted 05/08/2018  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list
How and why is auction at $26 now?
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 Posted 05/08/2018  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list
NGC didn't mention it on the holder because it's worthless Machine Doubling. Not a DD of any kind.
Seller should have posted on CCF before sending it to NGC.
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 Posted 05/08/2018  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Even PCGS does not mention MD. It is just the coin contact that lowers the grade. But to me, if it was on a variety, I would never buy it. It is too distracting to me for a coin to have it.
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 Posted 05/09/2018  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HoboNickelCarver to your friends list
WOW! The coin has made it to $40!
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 Posted 05/10/2018  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eyes4Error to your friends list
OMG I have tons of these MD in many years... I am rich!! HAHA

But seriously $40... currently? Wow! Is that just cause he has that brown in a holder?

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 Posted 05/10/2018  06:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Probably cost him that much to have it stabbed and auction fees. The person who will loose the most is the buyer. I've bought a bu 1946 cent stabbed for $6 at a coin store. Someone lost big time having it graded. I gave it to a friend that was born that year. He loves it.
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 Posted 05/10/2018  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eyes4Error to your friends list
And there you have it... SOLD $40

No bidding at the end... in holder with disclaimer!

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Haha! That's hilarious! I saw that earlier when it was up to 40.00. The buyers now have a worthless error coin. And the disclaimer was on the slab and ebay title too. If you ever want to sell Machine Doubling online, ebay is the way to go! Just put a disclaimer on it and state it's Machine Doubling, so you're not deceiving someone.
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 Posted 05/10/2018  2:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
This situation reminds me of one word from "Back to the future" 2:
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