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Terrific Tudors And Stunning Stuarts

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to the Community, CocktailGod!

Please share your knowledge with us!
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 Posted 11/14/2023  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CocktailGod to your friends list
I study this coinage, and have been conducting a die study.

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This is one of the coins featured in this thread, which in actuality is a cast fake. Here are some more duplicates of the same "example"

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Another of the same user's coins is also a fake in my opinion, I want to email them and provide some insight / evidence, but since I have a new account it will not let me. Can any moderators please enable my account for emailing other users please?
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I want to email them and provide some insight / evidence
Why not share that here so all can benefit?
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@CocktailGod Very interesting!
I'd prefer if you posted your research on any of my coins with the whole group. (I'm undergoing metastatic cancer treatments and not very good at keeping up with emails right now anyway).
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Sorry to hear that!

Here is the second of your coins which I am suspicious about:
I happen to own what I believe is a cast copy of that exact example. From your photos I believe that yours may be the genuine one off of which the casts were made (The other one I previously pointed out is definitely fake), but the only way for me to tell you for sure would be more photos or better yet a video of it in hand. Where did you obtain these from? I am in the process of working on a die study for these, so if its something you would ever consider selling I would be very interested!

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Before coins, there was magic. Or rather, before I started collecting round silver things, I had an interest in folklore, folk magic and particularly lucky charms, amulets and talismans. I have a small collection of religious medallions, apotropaic charms and lucky 'objects'. I am intrigued by the significance these objects, some valuable, some mundane, held for the owners.

It will therefore be of little surprise that I was intrigued when I heard of touch-pieces. What is a touch-piece? Well, if you'll forgive the preamble, it's related to scrofula, a tubercular disease common in the late middle ages and 17th - 18th century. Rarely fatal, but disfiguring and although it could last many years it was also known to occasionally spontaneously heal.

The church was a pervasive force in peoples lives at the time. And with medicine being quite unsophisticated, it's not surprising that people turned to saints to remedy their troubles and ills. Including Royalty. Kings and Queens were quick to claim 'divine right' to justify their rule and claimed they had been chosen by God. So it's perhaps unsurprising that people turned to them for assistance. Early on, this was presumably primarily the gift of alms. However it was not long before people would present themselves or their relatives to the monarch in hope of alleviation of physical ills.

By the 17th century it was a well established practice for the king, during holy day festivals or whilst undergoing Royal 'progresses' about the land, to lay hands upon those suffering from what had become known as the 'king's evil' and present them with alms to support them.

In the case of the king's evil, the choice of alms were obvious. From the days of Edward IV, England has issued a small gold coin called an Angel. On the one side is represented earthly power or the monarchy, in the form of the Ship of State. On the other, heavenly power, by a representation of the Archangel Michael, vanquishing Satan in the form of a dragon.

Not only a reminder of the link between the king and God's authority, but with St Michael considered as a healer and the value of an Angel at 6s 8d a standard doctor's fee, it would be hard to find a more suitable gift for a healing ceremony. The coins were officially pierced and threaded onto a white silk ribbon, then hung around the neck of the recipient by the monarch.

It should perhaps be stated that, officially, touch-pieces are later productions, specifically made to be handed out at touching ceremonies from the reign of Charles II onwards. During Charles I's reign the Angel still circulated as coin, albeit in very small numbers. By this time the majority were made for the Royal Touch and, due to none being struck under Parliament once the King had fled London, it can be assumed that any pierced examples were almost certainly touched by the king himself.

I was therefore very pleased to finally acquire the below. A gold Angel of Charles I. Tower (of London) mint, Spink 2684A, Portcullis privy mark (11 Jul 1633-27 Jun 1634). To the reverse, the (rather ironic) legend Amor Populi Praesidium Regis (The love of the people is the protection of the king). Official piercing through the dragon's tail. Ex C F Noon collection.

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 Posted 05/18/2024  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Beautiful specimen, congrats!
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Wonderful piece with a fascinating history. Congratulations!
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Great looking coin and interesting background. Thanks for sharing!
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 Posted 12/31/2024  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list
Last addition to the collection for the year. Another Charles I shilling, this one from 1647-48. At the time the Tower mint was under Parliamentary control and quality control wasn't high on the list of priorities so not so easy to get a nicer example. I probably rather overpaid, but quality doesn't come cheap.

This one was bought by the last owner in 1900 and came from the Webb collection (Sotheby 1898). Spink 2802, Sharp H1/1. Sceptre privy mark.

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Congrats Tom!! Their were a lot of great coins in that sale!

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