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1895 O Morgan Silver Dollar The Real Deal Or Not

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 Posted 06/06/2019  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andy Herkimer to your friends list
I agree with the others, looks fake to me. One good test is to put a regular coin next to it and place a tissue over them both. The Morgan should be brighter white than the quarter. That's a good start and costs nothing. You can post a pic of it if you are not sure.

Edit. After a quick search, there are known counterfeits for this date and they are silver, so the tissue test won't prove much. I agree that posting date and mint mark is the best way to tell.
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06/06/2019 11:25 am
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 Posted 06/06/2019  12:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Evildrivenda to your friends list
OK thanks for input not exactly disputing. usually I can find without a doubt that something is fake by doing little research. But this one wasn't giving that to me so thank you for your help thou
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 Posted 06/06/2019  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list
It doesn't matter if this was passed down from your Grandfather. These counterfeits have been around for decades. I have several modern Chinese counterfeit Morgan dollars of various dates/mms. I purchased them so that I could study them in-hand. Your coin has the hallmark appearance of a counterfeit piece. I think one of mine is an 1895-O, just like yours, so I'll try to post some pictures later today.
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06/06/2019 4:28 pm
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 Posted 06/06/2019  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
.... to the Community!

Unfortunately, your coin is a recent counterfeit with origins most likely from China. The lettering, the date, the stars, the toning, along with the overall appearance, just screams "fake".

Hope you were not a victim and bought this piece of junk hoping it was real.
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 Posted 06/06/2019  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Agree this is a counterfeit, however you obtained it.



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06/06/2019 5:01 pm
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 Posted 06/06/2019  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
Your coin is counterfeit. Your coin has the same marking as a known 1895 O counterfeit. Check out the scratch below the chin and the mark at the top of the one. If you look to the right and on top of the date of your coin, you will also see cast bumps that happen with cast fakes.

Known Counterfeit
1895-O--Morgan-Silver-Dollar-The-Real-Deal-Or-Not
OP Coin
1895-O--Morgan-Silver-Dollar-The-Real-Deal-Or-Not
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 Posted 06/06/2019  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
The date position does not match any of the VAM listings. Sorry, but Chinese fake it is...

Attached is a link to a listing with photos of the date position of authentic '95-O Morgans. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...1895-O_VAM-4
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 Posted 06/06/2019  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add machine20 to your friends list
straight from Chinatown?
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 Posted 06/06/2019  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
This one was easy just from first glance. The more you see them the easier it is to spot them.
They just have that look and it's not hard to find em on the no no site.
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 Posted 06/06/2019  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NDBirdman to your friends list
Welcome to the forum!
Sorry about the fake.
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 Posted 06/06/2019  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Evildrivenda to your friends list
See that make sense the scratch under chin makes it fake thanks
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 Posted 06/06/2019  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Right, the Chinese fakers used the same pair of dies and just changed the date from 1895 to 1896.
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06/06/2019 7:22 pm
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 Posted 06/06/2019  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
One of the poorest Chinese counterfeit Morgan's.
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 Posted 06/06/2019  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andy Herkimer to your friends list

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See that make sense the scratch under chin makes it fake thanks


It's kind of hard to understand to someone who hasn't studied coins, but most of the time a coin either looks genuine or fake. Upon initial glance you immediately know if it looks fake or real, because you have looked at thousands or tens of thousands. Color, strike, details, style, surfaces, etc all go into that initial thought but much of it is kind of subconscious. That's why some people will say it looks fake or real initially and they are correct 95%+ of the time, even though at that point they don't exactly know consciously why.

Then after the initial view, you look for all the other small details to confirm or disprove your initial impression. It's an odd skill.

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06/06/2019 7:32 pm
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 Posted 06/08/2019  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EarlyTurban to your friends list
Welcome to the forum. On your example, there are counterfeit die markers evident. It's details are mushy, plus your coin's lettering and date logos do not match a genuine 1895-O Morgan dollar. The toning/coloration also looks like what has become the "classic" Chinese counterfeit toning and wear pattern. All indications point to a Chinese-made fake. Do you have any idea from where your grandfather purchased/obtained it?
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