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Are these pictures any better?   |
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The biggest concern that I have on the coins is the denticles above "OF AMERICA". If the denticles look like little tooth picks in hand, I am in the counterfeit camp. I can understand why some members are calling the coin genuine and abused.
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Does this help? I also did a two picture overlay with a real 1874 Trade dollar and everything lined up perfectly.  Edited by Heymikep
07/02/2019 6:00 pm
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Come on. That thing is so fake I'm really surprised it could fool anyone with some TD familiarity.
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Just for comparison's sake, look at this 1874-S. On the obverse, compare the fingers on the left hand, toes, ribbon, and stars. On the reverse, compare the denticles and detail on EPU, the eagle's legs, and sharpness of lettering.   |
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Oops guess I was wrong, still got a long way to go  |
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@GrapeCollects, sit tight. There's a punch line.
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Yes new pictures are better and are now causing me to doubt it because of the dentals at 8:00 on the obverse.
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Let me throw this into the mix, here is an image from PCGS.  |
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Here's the punch line. The coin I posted is a Serbian counterfeit 1874-S. It is within Weight Tolerance, but way off on specific gravity, won't pass an eddy current slide test, and is about 600 - 700 Hz off on a ping test. Raw Trade dollars are dangerous. Even slabbed ones aren't certain. Both 1875-S and 1874-S counterfeits have been certified by major TPGs. At least with TPG certification, there is a guarantee, and I have never worried about a reputable TPG honoring the guarantee. The Chinese have a century of experience counterfeiting Trades, and the Russians and Serbs are darned skillful, too. The one thing none of them seem to get right is the reeding. On a suspect coin, always examine the reeding and count the reeds. If the reeding or number of reeds are wrong for the type, date, and mint, no further examination is needed. A number of years ago, I was bitten by a counterfeit 1874-S, That experience spurred my interest in the modern counterfeiting processes. I am very wary of any raw Trade dollar since that experience. Edited by fortcollins
07/03/2019 8:02 pm
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That's some darn good fake fortcollins that even fool some of the TPG experts. |
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Fortcollins, I saw that the coin you posted was a counterfeit and I did an overlay with the coin I first listed. I also did the overlay with the PCGS coin that I posted and it did align with It, it did not align with yours. Where can I find more information like reed counts for Trade dollars? Is there any place to identify die marriages as well? What is amazing is that I have not seen any definitive comments on whether it is fake or if it is real. It looks like a mix of opinions from some very respectful members. |
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@Heymikep, I'm leaning toward genuine on your coin, despite sharing the real concerns about the denticles noted by Slider23. The surface is so badly marred by the torture somebody inflicted on it that I fear authentication from photos is impossible. One excellent source of Trade dollar info is the book (booklet) by John Lazirko entitled "U.S. Trade dollars 1873-1878." I have seen copies, but never have been able to land one. IIRC, it was released by the U.S. Trade dollar Club, but I don't even know if that club still exists. It doesn't seem to have a web presence. EDIT: The booklet isn't on the Newman Portal. Edited by fortcollins
07/03/2019 10:50 pm
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