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Good Day. 1964 Set, No Mint Mark And As Described. SMS?

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 Posted 07/10/2019  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Onedollarbillnut to your friends list
The 1965 SMS came in a flat pack like the proof sets from 1955 to 1964.
So I would imagine that a 1964 SMS would have been packaged the same way.
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 Posted 07/11/2019  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
It would have if it was actually packaged, they weren't.
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 Posted 07/12/2019  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Deflin to your friends list
It looks like its not the 1964 SMS, I base my opinion on the poor strike of the steps of Jefferson nickel. I did research on this and they said first it should be a satin finish and very good strike appearance on the steps of Jefferson nickel.
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 Posted 07/12/2019  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list
From my knowledge and understanding of the 1964 SMS coins, they were all found in an estate sale of a mint Director that had passed away and were all bought from that estate sale, and likely all graded at this point. You will never find a 1964 SMS coin in circulation, You will never find a complete set in OGP or pieced together in aftermarket packaging to be cherry picked anymore because they all got bought and graded and sold by various auction houses and still sell from time to time to change hands in those auction houses.

Theory is they were test strikes for the 65.66.67 SMS coins to see how they would turn out. Description of the first Stacks and Bowers auction was: "The [half dollar] has a fully satiny obverse and a somewhat reflective surface," "The strike on all the coins is far sharper than is seen even on the Special Mint Sets. We suspect that these were struck as an experiment to determine the sort of finish the Mint would use from 1965 through 1967."
The Lincoln Cent, Jefferson nickel, Roosevelt dime, and Washington quarter in that same set also exhibited the same surface characteristics as the 1964 SMS Kennedy half dollar.
The five coins were offered in a nondescript snap-tight plastic coin holder.
All sold a little here and there through the 1990s and 2000s so they don't compete with each other and bring down the sale prices.

Just about everywhere and on youtube the "coins you can find worth money!" story is nice and gets you thinking if you look you might hit the lotto, But coming across one coin somewhere that nobody knows about for cherry picking would be astronomical, and finding a whole set 1964 SMS to cherry pick would be about the same odds as the entire universe collapsing 5 seconds after you read this.
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 Posted 07/12/2019  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
I don't remember seeing anything about mint packaging for the 64 SMS.
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 Posted 07/16/2019  01:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list
The 64 on the SMS half dollar has an aberration below the right most point of the 4 and are supposed to have a different finish.

It's really small, but I don't see it on yours.

It would be odd to find one as I believe most were purchased from an estate by a single collector.
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Thank you Standfast for that image of the holder and package.

I hadn't been able to find one previously. Was it from a Stacks Bower Auction?
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 Posted 07/16/2019  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MJD to your friends list

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I have no first hand knowledge of their appearance, but I found this pic online.


I doubt if this picture is authentic. By virtually all accounts, the 64 SMS coins were test strikes. Because they were never intended to be released to the general public, there was no need to package them.

Also, the picture shows the hard plastic holder which was not introduced until the 1966 SMS releases (1965 SMS coins still used the earlier proof style flat pack). It would be an easy matter to open a 1966 plastic case and insert ordinary 1964 coins.
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The five coins were offered in a nondescript snap-tight plastic coin holder.

Big Kingdom, where did you find this information about the packaging for the 1964 SMS sets?
Was it in the same Stacks Bowers auction description?
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This is from the Coinweek article:

"Only 12 of the unofficial "Special Mint Sets"-assembled a year before the United States Mint began to sell Special Mint Sets officially to the public-are known to exist. Unlike the official consumer products issued a year later, the Special Strike 1964 sets were not put together in pliofilm packaging - though they do share the sharp detail and satiny surfaces in common with the later releases."

https://coinweek.com/auctions-news/...collections/


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 Posted 07/16/2019  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list

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and finding a whole set 1964 SMS to cherry pick would be about the same odds as the entire universe collapsing 5 seconds after you read this.

I quietly counted to five in my head after reading that. Then I breathed a sigh of relief.
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 Posted 07/16/2019  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list
Petespockets55, that particular quote was from Coin Week. the article was about a 1964 SMS half that sold in a 1996 Long Beach Expo U.S. Signature Auction.
That article says about the earliest appearance of them in a sale was "June 1991 appearance of the 1964 SMS Kennedy half dollar, when an unusual five-piece set of 1964 Philadelphia-Mint coins was offered in a Stack's sale."
The article seems to suggest that was the very first offering of them on record about 2 years before it became more generally known to exist.


If you search that quote, I'm sure it will bring you to that article from coin week. it's an interestign read. I also don't know if there are 12 complete sets, but seems like for sure there are 12 half dollars, and all the rest of them after that on population reports ect from the grading companies are re-submissions hoping for a better grade or to change the slab over.
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 Posted 07/16/2019  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list
BigSilver, I hoped someone would LOL

If it makes you feel any better if that actually happened, pretty sure everything would just cease to exist and it wouldn't be painful at all!

Don't hold me to that though, I'm not an astrophysicist. hahahha
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Thank you so much, everybody.
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The nickel looks circulated, although it could be the packaging.
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