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Ben you are showing me copies for the silver coin only!
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Sorry to say that this piece is 100% fake, a cast copy of the Dekadrachm. The genuine coin was only struck in silver and weighs 42 grams.
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Lebanon
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Lebanon
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echizento ,ignore the silver coin for a while because we have two different coins now! Totally different coins for Arethusa! , I really wish to see that super treasures detecting machine confirming that we have nothing more for Arethusa except the silver coin!
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The other coin you show is in fact a copy of the Silver dekadrachm - it is the same coin, in a different metal, again with telltale signs of forgery. These large dekadrachms were never issued in anything except silver; they are prestige issues, designed to show off the best of their craft, they would never issue it in the wrong metal. Compare that to Roman usurpers, for whom we see Aureii struck in bronze and circulated as Antoniniani, presumably test strikes; they didn't have the resources to test strike their dies in the correct metal just to melt them down, while Syracuse was a vastly wealthy city with large amounts of silver. The only Dekadrachms known are all well struck from well maintained dies. It is likely that unsatisfactory strikes were melted down.
The questions you must ask to tell if they ever issued this in bronze is: What is the denomination? Why would they issue a bronze almost identical to a well known, high prestige silver coin, when they know that ancient forgers could easily plate it in silver to pass it off as a dekadrachm?
The Ptolemaic dynasty issued both Dekadrachms and large bronzes and here we see a large difference in design and craftsmanship to distinguish them.
Regardless, the fabric is clearly of modern manufacture. These fakes are well known and very numerous and turn up here very regularly. If you take a look at the edge, it may even still have the casting seam and sprue, though it seems the edge may have been hammered smooth, resulting in a slight lip (which is not found on struck coins).
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Hi Ben , very interesting reply! , I do agree with some of your points for sure! Yes I never liked to see my coin in it's perfect circular shape, it's a sign that my coin wouldn't be Authentic Ancient Greek Coin , most of the ancient coins lose it circular shape , I had to find other similar coins " ancient ones" looking good with a perfect circular shape , it was very hard to locate such coins online!  I know Ben , but it's important for you to know that Ancient coins are vary and it's possible to find very Ancient Greek Coins in a great shape , so the perfect circular shape of my Coin shouldn't be anything bad since ancient coins in good condition is definitely meaning much better value for the coin! Check the second image above carefully because it's in a great shape too! The story you are telling Ben about silver Syracuse and why they should issue another coin in different metal is not good at all , I don't believe there's any logic in your statement above confirming they issued only silver coins in Syracuse as their prestige coins! then you say there were wealthy! And I still think my coin isn't bronze or brass! Bronze and brass are paramagnetic while my coin is showing very very very slight diamagnetic properties! I think my coin is made of gold and not anything but gold!  Edited by Hicetas
08/12/2019 02:23 am
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No matter what metal you piece is made of, you need to accept the fact that it is NOT a genuine Syracuse Decadrachm. It is a poorly cast tourist piece most likely made of brass or some type of pot metal.
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Where is Gandalf when we need him?  |
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Any interested guys in fine arts ?!   My respect for everyone here , I appreciate your replies, Can you see that smile?! Edited by Hicetas
08/12/2019 05:10 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Prime example of why an IGNORE button is needed.
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 ..Really dont understand why some people feel its ok to waste other peoples precious time @Hicetas  |
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I think that we, as a community, give people the benefit of the doubt and listen and respond in good faith. Sometimes people are either trolling or simply don't want to believe what we tell them.
In this case the item is a poor aftercast in bronze of a known fake of poor style (also in bronze) of a highly desirable silver Dekadrachm.
I could show several other examples of this known fake here but they would not add to the discussion which has already wasted too much time.
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Lebanon
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I am locking this topic, the question has be answered and any further discussion is pointless.
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