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Bedrock of the Community
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What's the reverse look like?
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Wheezydog's coin is a 1922-D with heavy wear struck by a very worn die - but the D is there.
It's not that I don't "like" these coins, I just think they are vastly misunderstood. The premium paid for 1922D cents with filled mintmarks is just ludicrous. Everyone knows by now that there is no such thing as a 1922 Philly mint cent, which is what got the whole thing going in the first place - the misunderstanding that these extremely low quality coins that appear to have no mintmark were a rare Philly issue...In actuality, they are just very poorly made coins.
How much would you like to give me for a 1923S Lincoln missing the S mintmark? Nothing? Uhh-huh....that's my point.
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Now that you chimed in Chuck....
What do you think classifies a cent as a "weak D"? I've seen a lot of these with both fairly strong reverses and weak reverses. On lincolncentresource website they only refer to the weak reverse as a legitimate weak D coin. That site has more info on the 22D than I've seen elsewhere.
I understand your stance on these and I apologise for incorrectly stating your position. All I recalled was you had some special feeling about the 22D's. Nonetheless, I personally find the 1922 series very interesting. I've many times pondered doing a lot more study into the series as I have yet to find someone that's throughly explored and documented it.
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I took it out of the holder and took two images. I brightened up the image to show as much detail as possible. I think this is a DIE 4 by comparing those in the link that desertgem provided. How bout it? Am I right? I also do not think that filled dies are any big deal, but because there was no Philly cent in 1922 I do think this variety deserves a special place and considerable premium if absolutely no D is present. My coin is not the greatest example but I guess I have one of these "weak D" 1922 Lincoln Cents.   |
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Hi,
This is a normal 1922 D cent with normal wear.
On Die pair #1 there is almost NO D visible.
On Die pair # 4 Lincoln's coat blends in to the rim on the lower right of his coat.
Your coin has a very visible D and a distinct separation between the lower right portion of Lincoln's coat and the rim.
In short. It is not a Plain, and it is not a weak D.
Thanks,
Bill
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Okee Doke, thanks! I suppose that settles that.  Edited by TNG
10/20/2008 09:49 am
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Bill....what do you say about my weak D on the previous page?  In hand, you can't see the D. The picture brings the D out a lot for some reason. With a loop you can see a little nub of metal and the faint outline of a D...but barely....it takes tilting and careful examination. Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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BadThad - I have way understudied them for someone considered a Lincoln Cent 'expert' - I've just never taken the time to bother with them. One of those "if you ignore it, it might go away" scenarios. If you do a comprehensive study into them, J.P. Martin might be a good person to add to your knowledge and study. When you get the study done, I would like to see it and consider it for publication. One thing I know J.P. has seen and can attest to is a die #2 strong reverse coin with remnants of a mintmark. It had previously been believed by many that this die never had a mintmark. |
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Wow, any chance he has posted photos of that coin on any website? Would love to see it!
Jim
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Thanks Chuck, I appreciate it. I've sent you a PM.
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Hi BadThad,
You won't want to hear this but yours is a tampered with fake.
Look at the depression under the date, that's where the metal was messed with to artificially remove a "D". There is also , to the left of where a mintmark should be a little bit of piled up metal that is the result of some of the moved metal being left behind when the MM was tampered with.
No doubt about it, I've seen several tampered with 1922 D cents in my day:-)
Thanks,
Bill
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10/20/2008 8:54 pm
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Bill
Wow....I didn't notice that at all! You're absolutely correct. I just looked at this coin in hand again, you can see metal moved up on the 9 too. I looks like a punch was used on it by someone trying to forge a no "D". Let me tell you, in hand this looks nearly perfect, it's toned nicely brown and the color is even over the MM area. Using a 10x loupe, at only one angle, you can see a slight depression. It's very hard to see!
Lincoln education never ceases! Thanks for looking at it!
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I was just sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. These things just jump out at you when you've seen enough of them.
Bill
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No...you chime in anytime friend!  |
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