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Zurie's 2000th Post Contest -- Counterfeit Detection!

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 Posted 05/23/2020  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lawest to your friends list
2 and 5 real, rest fake
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 Posted 05/23/2020  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
Congratulations to JGpenny and Gincoin43, they both got them all correct on their second try, and JGpenny even did it before my hint! Some excellent attempts, Adam_E got 7 out of 8 right today. JGpenny gets first choice of the prizes, and Gincoin43 will get the other one. I'll be in contact with each to work out the details.

Thanks to everyone for playing! I'll list the answers with some diagnostics shortly.
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 Posted 05/23/2020  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
Here are the answers to the challenge:

1. 1876-S Trade dollar: Genuine, PCGS #03897344.

2. 1840 Large cent: Counterfeit. Crude date, large letters on reverse not used until 1843, and the rim defect on the reverse is from a known counterfeit die.
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3. 1900-S Half Eagle: Known Middle Eastern counterfeit with loss of detail in the hair and stars, somewhat misshapen stars, and a mintmark that is too small. Reverse letters have rounded surfaces. This coin would have fooled me, which is why I would never buy a raw classic gold coin.
https://www.NGCcoin.com/news/articl...-Half-Eagle/

4. 1893-O Morgan: Counterfeit, as noted previously.

5. 1911-P $2-1/2 Gold Indian: Genuine PCGS #34941837.

6. 1909-S-VDB: Counterfeit. The location of the mint mark looks good for position #3, but the VDB is incorrect. The dot after the D is too close to the D, and the V is too tall.
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7. 1937-D Buffalo nickel 3-legged: Genuine, diagnostics include roughness at the back of the neck on the obverse, and on the reverse, die lumps running vertically between the legs, a mottled appearance of the back leg, and PLURIBUS and UNUM are separated from the back of the buffalo.
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8. 1942/41 Mercury dime: Counterfeit, likely struck from a fake die made from a genuine piece. The underlying "1" in the date is too weak, and the words IGWT are also weak. In addition, the olive leaves on the reverse are too plump, without enough detail.

Hope this was challenging and a bit educational! Thanks again for playing!
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 Posted 05/23/2020  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list
Aw man so close! That half eagle is a good one. Congrats to the winners!
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Hope this was challenging and a bit educational! Thanks again for playing!


Thank you! It was fun, the large cent also had the wrong number of berries.
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 Posted 05/23/2020  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Wow a good learning experience for me. The toning on that Trade dollar makes it look like it is copper. Thx @zurie!
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 Posted 05/23/2020  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list
Great contest, I learned I can't tell counterfeits.
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 Posted 05/23/2020  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JGpenny to your friends list
I would really like to thank @Zurie for the fantastic prize - but mostly for the great educational experience. I learned a ton. Congrats on your 2000 posts!
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 Posted 05/23/2020  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
Glad you enjoyed it. I also learned quite a bit putting this contest together. Made me realize how hard it can be to tell a well-made counterfeit from pictures alone.
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I'm late to the dance again...good learning...great contest..
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Great contest . Informs us all on the perils of counterfeit coins .
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 Posted 05/25/2020  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CENTertainment to your friends list
Wow! I can hardly figure it out when the side by sides are shown!
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 Posted 06/23/2020  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list
Thanks for the quiz Zurie. Quite informative.
In Oz the alignment of letters with rim denticles is a useful way of detecting fake pennies. I thought the 1876 Trade dollar was a fake because the alignment of the last a in America was different to the one you posted. Were 2 different dies used or is this variation normal in trade tokens from that period?
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The 1876-S Trade dollar used two reverse dies. There are easier ways to distinguish between type 1 and type 2 reverses, but it does look like the alignment of the A with the denticles is slightly different between the two reverses. Pretty subtle difference!
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The 1876-S Trade dollar used two reverse dies. There are easier ways to distinguish between type 1 and type 2 reverses, but it does look like the alignment of the A with the denticles is slightly different between the two reverses. Pretty subtle difference!

Thanks Zurie.
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