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Here is a real PCGS MS 63 spitting eagle .... a learning moment, I love these guys :) Look at the spacing between the 18 and 91, thats all I can see. After looking more, the spacing between all the numbers is off, maybe my bad eyes lol   Edited by farrider11
08/14/2020 10:00 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Date on the OP's coin appears thin and pointy to me, not a characteristic bold US MM. Just an instinctive response - I may well be wrong, let the experts take over.
Edited by Coinfrog
08/14/2020 10:29 pm
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I'm no expert, but if they offer a free return and have a decent reputation, grab it, and stick a magnet to it and get a weight, end of question, magnet and weight tells no lies...... but the spacing on the date seems off to me, after date was brought into question.
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Yeah the date is now a concern, but the MM even has the doubling on the top of the first C. Their are die markers next to the eagles leg, a gouge I think and the polish lines are even where they're supposed to be. I may take a chance. And as far as fakes go, I've got an 82 and an 89 CC that aren't magnetic, weigh right but are definitely fake.... Just saying they're getting good in China...
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These were the markers I was talking about...  |
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I dunno bro, it's a crap shoot, if it were me and the price was right, AND they offered free returns, Id take a shot to get it in hand.
The spit is really defined.
Edited by farrider11
08/14/2020 11:09 pm
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If it's counterfeit it's a really good one. I'd guess MS-64 grade wise and I presume luster is good, just not evident in these images.
Can you get a solid guarantee on authenticity?
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I think it's genuine, but it also looks overdipped. I'm not convinced the lack of luster is just the photos—you can see light reflecting off the Mylar, but not on the coin. You'll have to assess it in hand, but if it really has no luster, it might be a details coin.
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the upper loop on the 9 appears to a bit wonky and not rounded. based on the comments and the fact that if it is genuine it has been a little over dipped i'd pass on this one and not take the chance
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I don't have the coin in hand. Actually wanted some opinions before I made the plunge. So if you don't have the coin, why ask if to submit or not  |
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Potential counterfeit issues aside, you should not be paying a premium for a spitting eagle VAM over a regular old 1891-CC. There are at least as many spitting eagle 1891-CC coins as there are ordinary 1891-CCs (source: Carson City Morgan dollars by Crum, Oxman and Ungar). Edited by MathMan27
08/15/2020 3:36 pm
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Dead luster is due to being overly dipped. Will only "details" grade due to cleaning.
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Sometimes you can learn more about a coin by checking on its neighbors. I found the seller of the OP's coin, and compared it with a different BU Morgan he has listed. These are the seller's photos using the same setup and lighting on both coins. Clearly the second coin has decent luster, while the 1891-CC looks dull and lifeless. I would avoid this coin as it definitely doesn't have original surfaces.  |
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Does he offer free returns? No hurt in looking at it.
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If it's fake it's a well made one. Compared image to my spitter and the 9 looks slightly different otherwise it looks fine, not sure, I think it's real but I would avoid this coin.
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