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 Posted 09/07/2020  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list
I should have posted this in the Main Coin Forum. As I'm asking about all coins. Not just modern. Sorry
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 Posted 09/07/2020  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ironhorse to your friends list
I think numista reflects rarity based on their members catalogues not so much the rarity of any particular coin that you search there
it may give you a sense of whether or not a certain coin us common or not but I wouldn't say it should be your only reliable source
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 Posted 09/07/2020  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list

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should have posted this in the Main Coin Forum


Done. .
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 Posted 09/07/2020  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list
Actually, it is not a stupid question at all. There are a number of nuances which make it tricky to give a general answer. As @collects82 has mentioned, rare in terms of absolute quantity may not mean expensive.
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 Posted 09/08/2020  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Q.David Bowers universal rarity scale is: zero through 20, zero means none known and twenty means 250,001-500,000

Actually the scale is open ended and the rarity numbers can keep getting bigger, but frankly much of anything past URS 8 to 10 is meaningless because there is no way to get any kind of an accurate guess of surviving pieces past that point.
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 Posted 09/08/2020  03:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list
ironhorse is right.

Their scale is based on how many members have a coin. I know for a fact that if you have a coin and no one else has it, the rarity is 97, then 2 members is 95 and 3 is 93.

The commonest coins are 3 on their scale and my guess is at least 10k members of numista (It has over 100k members, but not all are active and not all are going to share their coin holdings on line).

They had a thread on the most common coins and the US Memorial cent, Rosie dime, French 1 Franc and coins like that came first. French coins feature a lot as the site is essentially French, but with a large English language part.
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 Posted 09/08/2020  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
To me a rare coin is one I need and just can't find.
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 Posted 09/08/2020  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list

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To me a rare coin is one I need and just can't find.


Amen to that.
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 Posted 09/08/2020  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list

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I know for a fact that if you have a coin and no one else has it, the rarity is 97,


Which one would that be?
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 Posted 09/08/2020  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
Its a matter of supply and demand. There are some political tokens that there are a handful out there, but there are only 3 people that care, so they are available. US patterns are mostly rare, but all the collectors of it are dead, so you can buy them.
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 Posted 09/08/2020  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list
Of course, if you're a new user with zero feedback, you can advertise any coin on ebay and describe it as "Rare", even if it has a mintage figure in the hundreds of millions...
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 Posted 09/08/2020  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list
Pop reports are great, except they dont account for the same coin being submitted multiple times. For most coins, I dont think anyone truly knows how many are left out there, but they can come up with an educated guess.
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 Posted 09/08/2020  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list
entry level coins, can never be truly assigned a number that survives.. especially silver coins.. too many have been melted..
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 Posted 09/08/2020  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
"Rare" is a relative term. Each country has its own scale of rarity. Here in Australia, for example, Australasian tradesman tokens are graded on a scale of 1 to 10, originally used by the early cataloguers of the series, where R1 is most common and R10 is overwhelmingly rare (unique or almost unique). But, since even the most common of these tokens have survival rates less than 10,000, all of them would be considered "rare" when compared to, say, American coins.

It's perhaps best to consider "rare" as a qualitative term, rather than quantitative. Since rarity is only loosely tied to value, it matters less than it ought to.

"Current population" is a semi-quantifiable equivalent of "rarity". Current population = original mintage X survival factor. The original mintage is usually knowable (except for mediaeval and ancient coins, for which few if any records remain). The survival factor - essentially, the probability that a coin will survive being melted down, buried, locked away in museums, lost at sea or otherwise become unavailable to collectors - usually has to be guessed at, as reliable statistics on such things are impossible to collate.

Collectors themselves are part of the uncertainty, as a coin in a private collection is "unavailable", but only temporarily. Investors are a much more predictable bunch, but the proportion of collectors to investors in any given coin series is also difficult to determine. There's also a continuum between "collector" and "investor", where someone is "a bit of both".

Coins generally become "more rare" over time as their numbers gradually dwindle due to attrition, though occasionally some event can make coins become "less rare". The release of the GSA hoard of Morgan dollars are perhaps the best-known event that created a sudden decrease in rarity for certain date-mintmark combinations in that series. It should also be noted that this "attrition rate" is different for each coin. "COmmon" comins become comparatively scarcer over time, as they are more likely to be discarded and melted than a coin known to be scarce.
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 Posted 09/08/2020  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list

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I know for a fact that if you have a coin and no one else has it, the rarity is 97


...or 100.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces139808.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces139930.html
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