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2021 ASE Reverse Proof Two-Coin Set Differences Type 1 Vs. Type 2 (Sandal Differences, Etc)

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 Posted 10/15/2021  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carlp007 to your friends list
The mint stated that they were making changes to better represent "The classic Walking Liberty design by Adolph A. Weinman." "After 35 years, this famous design has been refreshed."

I took a look at the Walking Liberty half dollars and compared. They look very similar if not the same.
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10/15/2021 11:21 am
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 Posted 10/15/2021  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
So basically they removed embellishments that were added when it was shifted to the larger coin. Restoring the original look reminds me of how they recently rolled back the spaghetti hair on quarters and halves.
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 Posted 10/19/2021  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinquestador1 to your friends list

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Can someone explain why type 1 has defined sandal on her trailing foot while you can barely see it on type 2?
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 Posted 10/19/2021  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list
That is the way the design is, it is weaker on a Type 2.
Notice the lines in the bottom of the skirt are also missing.
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 Posted 10/19/2021  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
So what causes this? Die polishing. Remove a defect from the die, it is polished. Often after a clash or damage to the die, so they can continue to use the die without showing the defect. The reduction on the die, first affects the fields of the die, then the sub devices. If this is seen on a larger area, it might have even had Feeder Finger Damage to the die. Thus the reduction of the design is what you are seeing. A closer view of other areas will be helpful, but do not add any premium for the coin. I'm guessing the 10:00 are will also be showing more reduction on this side of the coin. Often times when this happens the polishing can also be seen on the reverse as well. (depending on how much damage the die suffered)
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 Posted 10/19/2021  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinquestador1 to your friends list

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Front and back of entire coin. Finally.
Thanks coop and JimmyD!
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The type 2 obverse. Sorry!
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 Posted 10/19/2021  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinquestador1 to your friends list
Was this type 2 2021 Silver eagle struck at West Point but without the mint mark? I've seen a type 2 with a W mint mark so now I'm confused about where it was minted.
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 Posted 10/19/2021  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
An ASE with no mint mark means it was probably mints at the Philly Mint, BUT, it would be a Bullion coin - one that the mint does not sell to the public directly. they go to dealers. I'm also thinking that since it is a bullion, it may not have the best detail on the coin as these usually only sell for spot+ a few bucks from the dealer.
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 Posted 10/19/2021  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinquestador1 to your friends list
Thanks guys
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 Posted 10/20/2021  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Everyone benefits from discussions. I'll look around to see if I can get some larger images to see what the Feeder Finger Damage looks like that that design. All the ones on the site were PR-70's. But the enhanced ones looked very nice.
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 Posted 10/20/2021  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list
The Type 1 silver eagle obverse design is the Modified Adolph A. Weinman design from the Walking Liberty half dollar modified with more detail for the Silver American Eagle coins.
The Type 2 silver eagle obverse design is the original Adolph A. Weinman design from the Walking Liberty half dollar.

That is to say, it's done completely and totally on purpose, also why they put his AAW signature on the Obverse of the Type 2. On the Walking Liberty half dollar it was on the reverse under the eagles wing at the bottom, but on the half dollar he designed the obverse and reverse.
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 Posted 10/20/2021  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I merged the newer "2021 Silver Eagle Type 2 Sandal Differences" topic into this existing one, which was also in the correct forum.

ASE is US NCLT, not US Modern.
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 Posted 10/21/2021  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Corbe to your friends list
@Big-Kingdom thanks for that explanation. I kind of liked the more detail though! *shrug*
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 Posted 10/23/2021  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Raised on rock to your friends list
This thread is a great read. Thanks all for the info.
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