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 Posted 11/13/2021  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list
I'd like to re visit this coin, I have been looking up how to spot wizzing but I don't see any tell tale signs? No cartwheel luster, no shifted metal on any of the devices etc. If this coin has been polished would an acetone soak remove the polish and show the coins true colour?
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 Posted 11/13/2021  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list
Here's a comparison between on I believe was whizzed and the one I originally posted. I do believe they are both altered, different colours and luster, I mainly want to know if there is anything I can do to get the original (proper colour) to show


1934-Cent.-First-Upgrade.
1934-Cent.-First-Upgrade.

I didn't pay much for either one, I know if you have an altered coin graded it will come back with a grade but details designation. The 1934 looks like it would easily be AU and it's a shame that someone wanted to try and "improve" a nice coin like this.

If there is any way to remove polishing from a coin please let me know. Even if it's harsh, if the coins are basically worthless due to the alterations I have no issue if they get "ruined" even more.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list
Would you guys recommend me bring these to my LCS and see what they say? They are probably better at judging this sort of thing then me. My photo quality is also an issue with asking these sorts of questions with such a "nice looking" cent. The fact that I got them both for under 4$ after shipping kind of says it all, but I'm sure people have gotten lucky before.

I want to better understand how to judge this sort of thing. I am sure many of you could look at this in hand and judge fairly easily. I'm not that good and have no authentic examples to compare to. The weirdest thing to me about the 1934 is that there appears to be a gray colour around the devices when I take a picture. the details are very sharp, I do see some contact marks etc but mayb this coin was not whizzed but just had some copper polish or something added to it. I can only speculate as again I feel I would need an authentic coin in hand to even judge, photos are inaccurate.

I want to understand more and have tried to find examples or a video etc. That shows me why this coin is whizzed? I understand what to look for on whizzed coins and have looked under my scope several times and still don't see anything and in hand there is no cartwheel luster.

Maybe this is just something for me that I will have to learn by seeing coins. The only ones I ever see are the ones I have and I don't have multiples or authenticated coin. A few coin shows will maybe teach me something. I also have plans to visit the mint for a tour if possible next spring. I'm finally getting my license and in laws have a car for us so me and the fiance are taking a road trip to cape Breton to visit some family, going to make a stop in Ottawa for a day and I'll hopefully be able to get a tour at the time.

Edit: the mint trip won't help me to identify this sort of thing properly but it will be a fun educational visit I hope, visual knowledge is the best way for me to learn.

Edit: mint not mind
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11/13/2021 1:32 pm
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 Posted 11/13/2021  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list
Just go through the archives and type in "whizzed cent" or :polished cent" or some thing like that. There are thousands and thousands of coins for you to look at without getting out of your chair. Learn how to grade and then look at anything that doesn't look normal. You have the coin in hand and photos never give a true detail of any coin. You say that you have rolls of cents. Just inspect all the different colors are there for copper coins.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list
I continued to read and continue to research and it seams the defining factor is color over surface texture etc. Even the articles on here every whizzed coin I look at (including modern) has less detail then this for the age.

Coin in hand is the best judgment and the colour does not seem super off and no signed of obviously being whizzed. The fact that most if not all jewels are pretty visible makes me think polished over whizzed.

Reading more into this is not going to help as I have been reading about it online and looking for examples for well over a week.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list
If someone one can post an authentic red cent from this era it would help. And from what I read these is a difference between polished and whizzed. Or plated etc

As I said there is not cartwheel luster . I suggested I bring it to my local coin dealer to see what they think. It could be educational for me to so. It would be free to do with both these coins. I wish I could feel confident with judging myself but based on the comments and/or my photos skills it wouldn't make a difference asking here.

I don't think I am being miss lead I just don't understand what I am not seeing.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list
Here is my earliest full red Canadian small cent, sorry, it is a 1959 Elizabeth II but showing it in two different lightings to show off its full red status, and to showcase some of its cartwheel luster (I have the complete Canadian small cent collection, but the early ones are not in full red at all).

1934-Cent.-First-Upgrade. 1934-Cent.-First-Upgrade.
I hope this helps a bit! , PS, I grade this personally as a MS-66.
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11/13/2021 7:46 pm
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 Posted 11/13/2021  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list
As far as I have read cartwheel luster is caused by whizzing, the coin I posted has a clear solid luster (probably from Polish) but it has vary sharp details for the most part. I don't doubt the colour and maybe whizzing and polished is what happened on my coins. I just was asking if there is a good way to remove the polish to show the coins natural colour.
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 Posted 11/22/2021  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list
I gave this cent a long acetone soak and nothing really changed.... I don't get what to look for on wizzed coins as everything online and on the forum that I have read about wizzed coins does not show here. I'm still not saying anyone is wrong as you are the experts and I am just a collector. I have gotten definitive answers with no clear explanation of what makes this a whizzed and polished or altered coin. I see no scratch marks under my scope going in one direction or another, just the contact marks on the coin. Cartwheel luster I heard was a bad thing but not from a reliable source. I continue to see large cents with the same luster sell for a fair amount on ebay. The MS examples I look at silver or copper/bronze have the same look. For 4$ it is not a huge loss but I feel like I'm being shunned on the candian sidd of this forum.... It's not like I'm not doing research but there is only so much I can do from looking at photos on my phone.

From the start I said it has to be to good to be true for the condition. I just want to know what you are seeing that I am not, considering I have the coin in hand.

If acetone won't do the trick to show how the coin is altered what would? I posted several photos from different lighting and you guys seem sure. So how can I be sure I don't make the same mistake again? Or as I posted before should I bring it to my LCS and see what they think? Maybe they can teach me something with visual comparisons?
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 Posted 11/22/2021  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list
Once a coin is polished or whizzed.....it can not be undone, Time will re-tone/color the coin, but the underlying damage will be done. FYI cartwheel luster is not caused by whizzing on all coins with cartwheel luster. Look at a MS Geo 5th nickel 5 cents.
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 Posted 11/22/2021  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list
Iv been looking at whizzed coins and videos of luster on whizzed coin, including examples on here. Also I couldn't find an article about whizzing effecting weight or not? If anyone has a good link to whizzed cents please share. I believe there is no chance I just got this on ebay for 4$ without it not being what everyone is saying it is. I want to know how to tell the difference in hand. My photos quality is just a cell phone in random house lighting nothing specific.
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 Posted 11/25/2021  01:13 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
Here is a good example of a fairly modern whizzed coin. The thing is, people who do this coins usually take a nice AU example, to try to make it look mint state.

1934-Cent.-First-Upgrade.

1934-Cent.-First-Upgrade.
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 Posted 11/25/2021  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinman91 to your friends list
Great explanation/example spp!
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 Posted 11/25/2021  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list
That's just unfortunate. People destroying a really nice coin to try and "improve" the coin. I would have expected it to effect the weight but I guess very little metal is actually removed. Thanks for the examples. This coin would have easily been worth 4$ if it was raw as there is a lot of detail.

I have been seeing a lot of old large cents that I stayed away from due to them looking whizzed, they have been getting a ton of bids and selling for well over what they should. A harsh lesson learned. I'm just glad I didn't spend 40-50$ to learn the lesson
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