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1965 P Washington Quarter- Just DDD Or Maybe DDO?

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 Posted 04/21/2022  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrBreeze to your friends list
Thanks all! It does seem pretty crazy that I have found 2 of these in such a short timeframe!

@silviosi- I am still trying to figure out exactly what you think I might have here. Here is what I think you are saying and please correct me if I am wrong.

* The obverse shows what appears to be a DDO-001 FS-101 (026), but with a different reverse die from the 1965 DDO FS-101 shown on Variety Vista and PCGS CoinFacts (RDV-004)

* The coin potentially exhibits a Type C reverse (RDV-003) with the FS-101 obverse. This reverse is shown to be used on 1965 Washington quarters, but not the above noted DDO-001 FS-101(026)

* You indicated that you might know of 5 of these with this unique die pairing? Where would I find documentation on these? I searched ANACS, PCGS and Variety Vista and couldn't find anything. I also did some google searching and could not find anything.

Thanks much for any additional information as I continue my research on this coin!
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 Posted 04/21/2022  09:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrBreeze to your friends list
@tanman2001 - I had to read the Silviosi comment again. He did say that the DDO is an add to the coin and that he ignores the DD. I am thinking DD means Die Deterioration.

I did look at the VV link and it does show 2 reverse dies for the 1965 P. They are the RDV-003 and the RDV-004. I think the RDV-004 is the Type D and the RDV-003 is the Type C (maybe).

I am getting in above my head a little bit trying to figure this one out.

Thanks!
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 Posted 04/21/2022  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list
Don't read into it too much. Very nice coins. I agree with the submission part. You could possibly get $3-400 for that coin one day!
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 Posted 04/21/2022  10:49 am  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list
Maybe I am misunderstanding. But in their first comment they did say (I'm paraphrasing) if it is a Type C you will forget about the 'minor' DDO.

I am completely lost with them.Your coin is clearly a Type D (RDV-004) as is expected from being paired with the DDO-001 die. Maybe the 1965 Type C reverse is uncommon but the difference between it and the Type D is so incredibly minute there will be little if any collector interest. It would be listed somewhere if it had a collector interest at all, CherryPickers Guide, PCGS, anywhere, but it's not. What is is the DDO, and it's a couple hundred dollar coin in this condition.

And am I misinterpreting their one comment here: "For just your information for my coin I have refuse offers for 35K."

Are they saying they have a 1965 Type C and were offered 35k for it? No shot.
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 Posted 04/21/2022  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
MrBreeze, yes they are different type: Type A = RDV-001, Type B= RDV-002 IIa, Type C=RDV-003 IIIo, Type D=RDV-004 IIIa1, Type E=RDV-005 IIIa2, Tpye F=RDV-006 IIIb, Tupe M (or G)=RDV-007 IIIm, Type H=RDV-008 IIb and so long for the rest.

A mention it is the Type A which is not confirmed yet, I still have some work to do and then to summit to see the others what will say (the specialists), because I thing we have two kind Ia and Ib.

So you can see the RDV-002 and RDV-008 are on the II pattern and RDV-003, RDV-004, RDV-005, RDV-006 and RDV-007 on the III pattern.

Brake finish.
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 Posted 04/23/2022  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gsp193 to your friends list
Awesome finds!! Congrats MrBreeze!!
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 Posted 04/23/2022  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list
First off a great find followed by a great discussion here.

And I agree with tanman's assessment as well.

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Your coin is clearly a Type D (RDV-004) as is expected from being paired with the DDO-001 die.
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 Posted 04/23/2022  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
@Chase and Tan. You mention some sources which do not mention Type C RDV-003 Because it is so scarce then they never have. The ANACS have 'it. the differences on the third pattern is very mince and we have to go very deep. To see the differences you have to go by small angles, lines of the letters and etc. I put the compared between type C and type D and we can see differences.

My coins is 67 and I was lucky to have at a good price. It is the third in line know coins in this type, not the best.

In my opinion this coin pass the test of the Type C. Other thing: They are coins which never was mention on any side except internally collectors. to give an example: I have an Constantius I concave gold coin with his wife on. Only two know yet and no web or TPG say about, mean those web or TPG go by what they see and find and not necessary the absolute low. They do what they can.
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 Posted 04/23/2022  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
For all members I will post here the table with the quarters RDV from Miguel and for shore with the contribution of the regretted Herbert P. Hicks:

1965-P-Washington-Quarter--Just-DDD-Or-Maybe-DDO?

If you do not believe, maybe ask the Bests and great specialist on this site.
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 Posted 04/23/2022  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrBreeze to your friends list
@silviosi - thanks for the the additional information! Where on the Anacs site could I find the information?
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 Posted 04/24/2022  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
MRBreeze I have no idea, theirs site do not show yet. Maybe wrote them to confirm, could be an alternative. Me I say what I see and what I think and analyze. Also if I had some information I like to share, I think that sharing information will help someone some how and at one moment.

OH, I forgot to put what are mean stars on scarce. Mean that only ten or less are know, but probably more are on the wild.
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 Posted 04/24/2022  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrBreeze to your friends list
@silviosi. Thank you! I will start doing some research!
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 Posted 04/24/2022  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
1965-P-Washington-Quarter--Just-DDD-Or-Maybe-DDO?
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 Posted 08/13/2022  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrBreeze to your friends list
Well to say that I am upset is an understatement. I sent this coin off to NGC with a variety plus request for the FS-101 and it comes back straight graded at an MS65 and no designation. Did they do this because of the later die state? I didn't think late die state would affect variety designation. What are my next steps as it is obvious to me that it is the FS-101.
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