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Valued Member
United States
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@rw1010 There have been a number of times that shenanigans have occurred at the mint. Most notably, the proof errors from the 70s and the oil pan coins smuggled from Philadelphia in the early 00s. Note that these purposely made coins were smuggled out, not released into circulation. While I said it's not impossible (it's possible to flip a coin and land on heads 1000 times in a row), the probability is incredibly low. If you disagree with the info provided, you'll need to send it to TPG for authentication. Show that raw coin to any error specialist or knowledgeable numismatist, and they're telling you it's damage. Your opinion that it's due to Rockwell testing has no value. You need authentication from experts. BTW, I worked in a manufacturing plant during Covid and our defect rate didn't significantly increase. In fact, there was an increased emphasis on quality due to staffing shortages and because every component was critical to making and shipping the final parts. So I'm not buying the covid excuse for manufacturing plants. The mint isn't some fast food joint with questionably trained workers. So if you really think you have beat some incredible odds and have an error in spite of the overwhelming info presented, send it in. It's your money
Edited by Hobbs9 09/01/2022 3:56 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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@Hobbs9
I think you're skipping over the apples and oranges thing again. Let's agree to disagree. We can go back and forth all day and get nowhere. Wisconsin extra leafs were not smuggled out. People come up with all types of stories here and there. Makes for interesting conversation only as it will never be verified. Nobody is stepping up to say I did that
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Thanks Hobbs, for precisions.
I please all to read this: The Myth of the workers go around do not exist. Except on the high Passarella when visitors are, no security personnel on the production line. The Labs has no passage to the production line. On the same production line, in general are max 6 employees, and the forklift driver come when is need. No employee can pass from his machines to another, will be stop on spot and his life at the Mint is finish. Other think is the production lines are separate one to the other. The old time of the vertical presses is gone for forever from long time. Any other who will be permitted to enter in some cases, are followed by one or two security guards and also follow by 2 to 3 camera. Any wrong move will take you out. Changing the Dies is performed by special technical team members and all tools necessary are their near the Line, and those sets of tools never get out.
Entering on the line space is not permitted with no metal of any kind. Last time I was there was in 2019. The only metal I has was the pen. So this it is today, The wildest of 60's are dust in the history..
We have to try to change our assimilation of the old time with current time. The story no one is fire from Mint it is not true. You can be fire for the small mistake you make or if you has small things which will affect your clearance 0 .
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Valued Member
United States
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@rw1010 Send it in for attribution. ANACS or ICG are cost effective options. I believe the US mint only purchases pre made blanks for Cents and NCLT like ASE and AGE. All other coins Including quarters, are blanked from rolled strips. (You could research this and prove me wrong). As Silviosi stated, the test samples are cut from the strip. Please explain how a hand cut piece of metal (most likely a small, randomly cut square piece) can make it out of the lab (already discussed) and be made into a blank on production equipment set up to use long coils of alloy. It Can't happen The simplest explanation is usually the correct explanation. An explanation that requires multiple low probability actions to take place results in an extremely low probability of occurance. You can agree to disagree, but that doesn't change all of the facts and information presented. Until you have it confirmed by an expert, there is just too much evidence saying that your coin can't be a Rockwell test coin. But keep your head in the sand if you want. You have nothing more than a damaged coin. Take it and another $1.75 and buy a lotto ticket.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks Hoobs9. No research needed. They also test the planchets. Your comment made me smile. I'm not saying it definitely is a test mark I'm saying it's probable. I'm also saying it's a mint error at least and I always say I could be wrong. I'm not the expert here so don't take what I say to the bank. Just trying to see what I have here and get some opinions. Its truly not that serious. I have plenty of mint errors just trying to add more to the pile. How do all the other errors come about. Human error or shananingans by mint error creators. It could go either way and I'll be fine with it. If something comes of it I'll update later and if not I'll say you and everyone else were right. Like I said not a big deal. Thanks for showing interest and trying to talk me of the ledge. Lol. If you don't play the lottery you'll never win
Edited by RW1010 09/02/2022 1:40 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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If a TPG was willing to slab this coin as a test coin, what would stop people with a hardened punch or industries with a Rockwell tester to create such examples
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Pillar of the Community
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If you read into what Silviosi is saying he's telling the community that the old way of thinking is no more. Open your horizons. Does the die changer get fired after creating a mule coin. Not a minor error so. When no one notices the dies are both cracked are they fired on the spot? Maybe. Maybe not. Errors happen. When a waffled coin is released when it should be melted down then what. No more contracts for that company? All speculative as we don't know the details behind the situation. I have no problem being proven wrong. That's the learning process and we grow and evolve from it. Sometimes you need to explore the options and whatever will be will be. It's all part of the process
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Pillar of the Community
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Great question John100. I originally said this coin has metal movement in the lower anomaly. Someone at home can't create that unless they're making dies and striking coins. There is metal movement in that area but no metal displacement as damage would create. Check out the last pictures I posted. No pressure ridge if this was a hit you would see it like the bag marks. I'm no expert I could be wrong. Pictures are telling a different tale imho
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Pillar of the Community
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If you can prove me wrong I'll bow to your expertise and say thank you for teaching me something I didn't know. That hasn't happened yet. Not to say it wont
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Pillar of the Community
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I don't want to come off as arrogant I just think you should maybe be seeing what I'm seeing. The burden of proof is on me but if you say it's not an error then the same standard applies. Prove me wrong. Where are the pressure ridges that show damage? Thanks for indulging in this conversation
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I appreciate the friendly banter. We're just talking coin here. No harm no fowl. I hope we're all enjoying this intellectual back and forth without judgement
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Pillar of the Community
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I think there is a lot of wishful thinking circuiting here. These marks, IN MY OPINION are nothing more than circulation damage. How? Why? Unless you were there we'll never now how these marks were made or the meaning behind them. Damage is damage, and this is most likely post mint damage here. If your curiosity is killing you, send it in to be authenticated, but just don't be surprised at their answer. Bonne chance! 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Thanks Merclover. Yes there is a lot of wishful thinking here with the slight possibility of being something. This came from a bu roll so damage is less likely. When I started doing the coin thing a few years ago it was all pocket change. Coop kept saying that condition is one of the biggest factors and it finally got through to me. I started getting boxes of coins instead of damaged dirty change finds. Coming from an uncirculated box the chances of being damaged is there but lower because of condition. I'm in no rush to send it in but I think it's a good candidate. When I do send it in I'll be sure to update the thread. I think it has a very good chance of being what I think it is
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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If the roll was as in the following photo, was the legitim Mint roll. All others are done from bags by banks, etc. 
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