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1983 Lincoln Memorial Cent Mint Error - Marjor Uniface Die Dents

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 Posted 10/13/2022  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Wild, nice find!
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 Posted 10/13/2022  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list
Now that is different for sure.
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 Posted 10/13/2022  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list
There could have been a broken section of a fine wire buffing/polishing wheel between the dies when they clashed.
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 Posted 10/13/2022  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The 1983 and 1984 reverse dies were over worked a lot those years from die polishing to remove clash marks. Each polishing thins the devices more and more as each die clashing event was removed. First time I've seen these die polishing before. But the were definitely part of the die clash making removal die events. Kind of reminds me of something acidic that they used? Note the deformed 'E' on United. That would be a marker that would Identify that die. Gives me something that could help to see if this is seen on other examples those years?
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Just checked the Listings from PCGS for that year. None matched their graded ones. The DDO-002 (FS-002) and 003 (FS-103) looked similar, but not a match. Thanks for posting these images. Something to look for on other examples posted.
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 Posted 10/13/2022  10:33 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Thanks for the kind comments! Spence, I am 100% sure it's not a plating issue as I have two of them exactly alike from the same roll. That is how I was able to state that the marks under AMER are part of it, since they are on both coins.

Coop, other than your first sentence I can't understand what your comment is and/or how this coin got you to researching DDO coins from this year. I'm lost.
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 Posted 10/13/2022  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
I was looking to see if there we examples with the same altered devices that could be seen on later die states. Thus when searching on PCGS, I noticed the the listings for the DDO's that some examples were posted online on that site. Just trying to figure out if anything matched. (ran across the two FS- listings on their site)
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 Posted 10/14/2022  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
It's die damage of a type I've seen before. I'm not sure what causes it.
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 Posted 10/14/2022  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list
My guess is that something splattered on the blank before it was struck-the "design" looks shock-waved. Importantly, the design is over what would be recesses in the die... it the design was due to die damage, we'd have seen more of them
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 Posted 10/14/2022  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
COINH was right. TB: this it is a very nice example of one of the first coins strike on plating before adjustments. Start in the end of October 1982 the plating and the really adjustment was in mars 1983. Nice example for me from the point of view of the Minting progress history.
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 Posted 10/14/2022  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list
Silvriosi: if that's true, then why didn't the design efface between the die-recesses at the pillars or on the top of the Memorial closest to UNITED, as it did at UNITED? It's obviously over the pillars, and it looks like there is a "Ground Zero" for the impact, as the shock-waves spread out past UNITED, etc. My guess is a drop or two of oil dripped onto the planchet, and furrowed the plating (see bubble over U). With that I hope everyone has a Good Night!
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 Posted 10/14/2022  11:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
Very nice coins TB (again)

@Oldgrouchyguy: It seems like all the effects we see on this coin are on the field of the reverse. Remember that on a die, the fields are the highest part of the design and things like the pillars are deep below the surface. the polishing of a die to remove clashes will be on the high points of the die.
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 Posted 10/15/2022  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list
Dearborn: the reverse is the "hammer" die, and the Pillars and Memorial are recessed in the die. I have yet to see any coin exhibiting die-polishing so far into the devices. I'd love to see another. I'd love to see another one of these, too, but I suspect they don't exist. Even on my 1867 2c piece, the heavy engraver's scribbles do not alter the devices or legend
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 Posted 10/15/2022  12:20 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Thanks for all the great replies! Still not entirely sure what went on here, but if Mike's stumped then it'll probably stay as an unknown.

Just to clarify about any plating comments, here is an image of the second coin. It just isn't as nice so I used the other one in my posting. But every mark is exactly the same on this coin as well so pretty much has to be die damage as I see it, not something with the plating or planchet.

1983 Lincoln Memorial cent mint error - die damage coin 2 reverse


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 Posted 10/15/2022  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list
Thanks TB for the additional images of the second coin.
And thanks Mike for adding about this being die damage. Certainly what it seemed like to me.

As I understand die polishing and as OGG said, polishing won't usually affect the deepest part of the dies.
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 Posted 10/15/2022  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
As I understand it, Polishing affects the highest part of the die - which turns out to be the deepest part of a coin. Also isn't the reverse side of a coin usually the anvil die?
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