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I could see an argument for AU58-MS62. Also leaning towards AU, based more so on the reverse. Appears to have light breaks in luster at the high points, also visible at high points of the feathers. Yes, there's is some strike weakness visible on the first few feathers, but also looks like it's seen some light circulation. That said, there are plenty of slabbed low MS coins with similar characteristics. AU58 with a shot at low MS
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Ok , we have a good debate going here . While Numismatics FTW is defending his coin , I and a few others are challenging his high remarks on this IHC . I can see now that the 4 diamonds are there with different angle viewing . But I'm still seeing light wear on some feather tips as well as hair curls which brings me back to AU-58 and maybe add a + mark .  |
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The luster disturbances on the cheek and obverse left field make me think that this is not a MS Indian in my opinion
My grade would be AU55.
Would really like to see pictures that show the luster because it looks off a bit.
Yes, these are worn dies. The reverse has die swelling at K2-K3, cracks at K4 and K9, denticles are a bit weak.
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This coin could very well be high AU. I don't specialize in Indian Heads. At the same time though I notice remarks dismissing it from MS that I see a fallacy in. Here's an examples of an ms62 coin. With the same mindset of issues dismissing my coin, this one would also be dismissed from MS. I am trying to learn how to grade these and the nuances.   You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
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I'm with the AU-58 crowd. Luster in the left obverse field appears disrupted from friction. Compare the appearance of the field above the first 4 feathers. Luster in that area appears undisturbed. Just my opinion based on these photos, of course. Doesn't mean it can't get an MS grade from a grading service. |
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I'd be quick to call that 1897 AU as well. It exhibits a weaker strike than yours does, so tougher to judge high points, but sure looks lightly circulated to me.
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Now we're cooking with gas folks! Jaobler- That appearance in the left field doesn't automatically preclude a coin from MS. I've seen countless Morgan dollars exhibit this same look. TY- I commend you for transparency and venturing out! You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
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That "62" is more like a 55-58 coin
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AU58
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after looking at the OP coin more I think it could be ms63. The eye/cheek area looked like wear at first but I can see this being ms63 the details are all there and sharp so ill change my quick guess grade of 55 to a ms63rb after actually taking the time to look at the coin. nice indian
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took a longer look at this one. my original grade was AU58 or MS62 the strike is there on both sides I'm not seeing any erroneous marks or scratches the two areas I key on for wear on the reverse is the outline of the shield and the highest points of the middle area of the bow on the obverse the tops of the letters on the headband and the ribbon(diamond) area. I am not seeing anything on these points to indicate circulation. looks like lighter obv strike. you are going to see what looks like wear on the high points of the feathers on MS coins so one cant just look at that i think what holds this back on this one is the discoloration of the surfaces particularly on the profile and left field. for these reasons I think it holds the coin to MS62RB heres an MS62 example that shows what I'm talking about   Edited by panzaldi
11/05/2022 09:50 am
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NumismaticsFTW nice misplaced date on the 1897.
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@panzaldi are those hits on the cheek ,neck, above the eye and field in front of the bust if so thats what would hold it from being higher grade IMO. all nice coins
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Jessvc1- Haha I was wondering who if any would notice that.  You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
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