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Bedrock of the Community
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not a proof. way too much glare to assess surfaces for originality and you're probably right about attempting to hide what the coin really looked like.  |
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yep - thanks everyone here whom responded. You all give a huge 'peace of mind' here and it also quantifies my initial thoughts as soon as I opened up the package. So - off to the great 1939 Lincoln Cent proof hunt (again) |
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Am I understanding this correctly , you bought that coin as a proof ?  Come on John , I know your eager to acquirer a 1936 brilliant proof but slow down buddy .  |
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Oh, I knew what I may have been getting into, The seller misrepresented this coin in the listing with altered images. I There was a lot of bidding activity on this and I took a chance - and lost  I went in knowing that I could return it if It did not pan out - so I was out nothing but time.  Tony, have you ever gone to a movie you KNEW was going to be stupid, but just HAD to see it anyway? Well same thing here I wanted it in hand to inspect. |
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Now that I look again, the coin appears to have been cleaned & whizzed! MY BAD, I missed that - rush grade. It's easy to see the whizzing patterns on the surfaces and the damage it did to the obverse high points - and the "wear" on the wheat lines. I suspect this started as an MS coin that someone attempted to upgrade or created it deceive a fool for $$$.
Also, those obverse cupric oxide spots are the type that usually develop on cleaned coins. Normally those are a red flag for me - but they can also develop on uncleaned coins. Some judgement must be used. Glad you're getting your money back!
Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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Thanks Thad, I tend to agree with you, but the only way to really tell was to have it in hand. If the seller had posted up pictures like I did up above, it would have been a no brainer to NOT buy it.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I've bought a few whizzers on the web, it happens. Notice the characteristic black cupric oxide spot on the head.   It's easy to see how I got tricked by crappy pictures, one of my reverse pics almost looks good....until you move the light and look at a different angle.   Perhaps the best tell-tail sign of whizzing is it always affects the wheat lines. The get smoothed by the wheel. Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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11/19/2022 11:34 pm
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I took a gamble on a 36 proof with bad pics and won with a satin proof listed as a brilliant that went pr64rb for 200ish....but based on those pics it definitely would have been a hard pass regardless. Too many indicators of a business strike there, rims or planchet flaws, whichever those hits are are definitely indication of circulation. There are also die markers for the proofs for that date you could also reference, low mintage as it is, same with matte proofs from 1909-1916, which I've cherrypicked multiples of so they are still out there, I know of at least 8 cherrypicks or so in the last 2 years.
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Well I sent that (this very) coin back to the sell, got my refund, now that the seller got his coin back he re-listed it with the exact wording and photo he had before. 295350280139 |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Surely you're not surprised.
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Isn't that a bummer .  |
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surprised? nope! I was wanting to see how long it would take to be put back up. and bids on it already too..
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Well I sent that (this very) coin back to the sell, got my refund, now that the seller got his coin back he re-listed it with the exact wording and photo he had before. VERY deceptive photos and a liar...it is NOT a proof. I've seen plenty of these over the years. The worst part for me was checking back in a few weeks and seeing a fool left positive feedback for it.  Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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11/24/2022 01:09 am
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those obverse cupric oxide spots are the type that usually develop on cleaned coins thanks for the knowledge Badthad. I wasnt aware of this. another thing to add to my datab ASE |
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