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A Sucker For Ebay, Should I Submit For Grading 1879-O

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 Posted 12/29/2022  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shtiv to your friends list
I appreciate it and can understand the perspective of why some would be irritated. I have been known for being gullible it I like to think of it as trusting. At the end of the day I exchanged a little bit of time and tape and learned a lot. I appreciate all the feedback even the ones that appear to be irritated with the discussion. Thank you for a great community!
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 Posted 12/29/2022  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list

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I'm not sure what you would grade this coin based on the photos in ebay listing, but I certainly thought it was a higher grade than the actual coin received

It really doesn't matter how you grade the coin in their photos if they send you a different coin. Giving a reason for return as "just didn't like the item" lets them off the hook for their deception.
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 Posted 12/29/2022  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
with @Zurie. Don't let them get away with this "didn't like the item" stuff. The coin pictured is not the coin you received, and they know it.
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 Posted 12/29/2022  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list

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AuctionKings photos are juiced, and the photos do not represent what the coin looks like in hand. Buying a coin from this seller in a TPG holder or raw is going to be a problem. The seller shows 100% feedback, but has 344 revised feedbacks that ebay has removed. There is one current negative feedback that could have tipped you off not to buy from the seller as noted below:

"Sellers photos are not a misrepresentation of what the coins actually look like. He says black and white with mirrors buts it's grossly exaggerated and there is no black look whatsoever. Look up the coins on the verification sites for PCGS and NGC if you want to see what they truly look like. Grade is sound of course but the description is grossly exaggerated and misleading to say the very least. Not sure what method of photography they use but it's done in such a way to mislead how the coin looks".


In one day the seller's revised feedback has gone from 344 to 346 and the negative feedback above has been removed. The seller spends a lot of time and effort in keeping his bogus 100% feedback rating.
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 Posted 12/29/2022  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shtiv to your friends list
Just got my Mercury dime in the mail that I ordered on December 14th. Wow Auction Kings an absolute match lololol. Criminals. To make ebay a stronger case, I am tempted to buy more in order to keep better documentation and evidence if need be.

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 Posted 12/29/2022  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Crappy-looking coin with environmental damage from what I can see.

Please start a new thread for a new coin.
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 Posted 12/29/2022  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list
For your own peace of mind please stop buying from this guy, return the coins. If you want, send ebay his pics compared to what you got, report it. But I doubt that will be enough to shut him down. I suggest you move on.
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 Posted 12/29/2022  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cointree to your friends list
@Shtiv, that ebay seller doesn't just doctor the photos they use, they use the exact same doctored photo over and over for different coins. I just checked and they have 13 of those same coins for sale with the same exact picture for each one. You definitely want to see the actual coin when you buy a raw coin.
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 Posted 12/29/2022  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add machine20 to your friends list
I think you should leave negative feedback
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 Posted 12/29/2022  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list
I really didn't want to comment because the truth is that's it's your money BUT I guess I will.

Neither photo shone (Morgan or Mercury) look like a real coin. If I saw these photos I would have passed on moved on, but you seem to believe that they are actual photos. No coin looks like that in person.

My advice is blunt, you shouldn't buy on ebay, you don't know what you are doing. Go to a local coin shop and have him show you coins you want, he can show what an actual coin looks like. After you know what your are doing (should be a few months or years if you don't get if).

Also stop using the internet as your only source. A Mega Red Book has a lot of information, it even shows you the different grades.

After you can tell a juiced picture from a real one then go buy on ebay don't buy before.

If you want to use the internet, use Allen's coin shop in Ohio (google there website), I can vouch they sell what they advertise (and they don't even provide pictures and you get the grade stated).
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 Posted 12/29/2022  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shtiv to your friends list
Cointree - Good catch, I will check this out. I have six more coins to leave feedback for.

hfjacinto - I appreciate your honest feedback. I had no idea that photos were juiced and dealers were so shady on ebay, I sure do now. I have two dealers within 15 minutes of me, I go in on a bi-daily basis to check things out.
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 Posted 12/29/2022  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list

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I had no idea that photos were juiced


Here is the essence of the problem, no coin looks like those photos (especially a 100 year old coin), until you know what a coin should look like stop buying on ebay.

If you see a coin that looks unnatural that means it is.
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 Posted 12/30/2022  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list

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dealers were so shady on eBay


Some of the largest and most reputable dealers and numismatists sell on ebay. Unfortunately, there are also plenty of scammers and con artists who prey on others on there as well. Talk to other collectors, online or in person, reputable sellers are well knows to knowledgeable collectors.

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 Posted 12/30/2022  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainkurt to your friends list
Just read this thread and what a great read. Reminds me of my early days buying from ebay. All the hard lessons, disbelief, anger, wanting justification, and even the, 'I can make a difference.' I can have them shut down!

Glad I listened to the advice here, studied the grading forum here, searched here for the bad ebay sellers list, learned how to photograph coins here to share and ask questions. It takes years!

Once you do your research, find your preferred sellers, notice juiced photos (or even photos that may be inadvertently hiding things), and take your time with quality photos and a rock solid return relationship with reputable dealers, things get easier.

If you can't be sure you know from the photo what you are getting, flaws and all (and there should be some on every coin), then just be patient. Move on to the next opportunity. There are more ways to lose money with coin collection than make it, by a factor of 10x (or more)!!!!
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