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I Am New To Coins. Have A Plan With Silver Rounds. What Do You Guys Think?

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 Posted 02/12/2023  07:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list
ignoring the fluctuations, over time, silver will basically keep it's value versus inflation so as an investment vehicle it isn't the best. I would think if you wanted to basically "park" your money over time buying inflation protected bonds each month might be the way to go. You dont gain much but you don't lose either no matter how bad inflation is. The disadvantage is the government "holds" the bonds so the exact amount of your money is logged

I personally like your plan because once converted to silver you are lot less likely to spend the money but it is easily converted back to cash in an emergency. If you dont hold to the exact ten years time frame you can sell when it is up, maybe 9 or 11 years. And no ne needs to know if you have 1 ounce or 1,000 ounces stashed away

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 Posted 02/12/2023  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acdcking12 to your friends list
Sounds like the selling part is going to be the hardest part. I have bought a lot from Money Metals. And I know they would buy it all back. But I would lose quite a bit.


So selling individual coins make the most sense, when I get to that point.
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 Posted 02/12/2023  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list

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Waste of time for me? Stupid plan?


What you are proposed is not "investing" but a long-term "trade": buy silver now in the hope of selling it for a profit later.
To me, "investing" means buying companies that are profitable and have cashflow that they share with their investors in the form of dividends or growth.
That said, I do own some physical silver in a stack that I keep for when SHTF. The rest of my silver is in the form of collectible coins which I own for their history and/or beauty.
My suggestion to you is to think everything over before executing your plan: how are you going to buy the silver, where are you going to store it, how are you going to sell it later? Have you consider the cost of moving it around? Buying and selling fees? Shipping? Etc.
People often say: "buy the book before the coin". In this case I would say: "write down the plan before executing it".
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02/12/2023 3:37 pm
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 Posted 02/12/2023  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list
My personal experience.

My grandfather went through the 1st Great Depression and so would make sure he had a hidden stash at home. A stash from the 60s was found after he was gone, and the stash had ten 100 dollar bills (a decent amount for back then).

According to an online inflation calculator, in 1960 he had put away the equivalent of $10,550 2023 US dollars!

However, those bills lost so much value from inflation that they were worth 1000.00 face value in 2023...but this translates to only ~$101.10 in 1960 dollars.

So what if he had stashed ounces of silver instead?

At ~.90 an ounce, he would have put away just over 1111 ounces of silver.

Today as I write this that would be worth $24,453 2023 dollars.

So personally I think you have a good idea. And if things continue going the way they are economically, you can bet the paper we use is going to be worse in the future.

PMs have always retained value throughout history.
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 Posted 02/13/2023  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list
@Earle42

Thank you for writing what I was trying to. Silver is a way to basically inflation proof cash. Gold also and a mix is good.

Also one thing about silver, especially cash buys at pawn shops and the like, is unlike 401K's, stock funds, etc. is it is, or can be, "off the books", so to speak, of government watchdogs. Not that I am recommending anyone do anything illegal or use silver to launder money, far from it, but if you are worried about, say, if social security might be means tested based on 401K balances in the future, it is a way to keep some of your savings away from prying eyes
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 Posted 02/13/2023  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vonigohcr to your friends list
@earle42.

Great story and research... so $1,000 in the mattress from 1960 is still worth $1,000. $1,000 in 1960 factoring inflation has the equivalent buying power of $10,500 today. The same $1,000 stored ("long-term trade") in silver would have a value of $24,450 today. For what it is worth, that same $1,000 invested in the S&P 500 in 1960 would be worth $410,400 today.

My takeaway. For enjoyment, stacking and assuming the risk of storing a heavyweight metal Silver and Gold are great options. By risk, I mean loss through devaluation, theft, fire or government intervention such as the US prohibition on personally owned gold from 1933 to 1972.

@Jaxenro... you are correct... over a long enough period, PMs are a good way to insulate cash from the effects of inflation and just as uncomfortable under the mattress .. However, for investing, there are other options that will return better results.
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 Posted 02/15/2023  05:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list
Yes agreed for investing there are better options. Although I think S&P is still in for a bumpy ride this year over the long time it is a far better investment vehicle. Investing depends on many factors including a persons age. If I was 31 S&P index funds would probably be the way to go as over time it is the better investment and I can ride out the ups and downs. At 62 I am more concerned with capital preservation than long term wealth accumulation so inflation protected bonds might be better. Or the oft mentioned silver and gold.
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 Posted 03/31/2023  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Anthony86 to your friends list
This is my opinion. Stack 10 oz silver bars.
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 Posted 04/02/2023  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list
One must consider the the present state of the global economy at this time, particularly what is presently happening here in the USA.
Inflation is is effecting economies worldwide at this time, not only here in the USA. If Inflation was calculated using the same parameters used since the 70'- 80's, it would be hovering around 14-16% today. Not the 6-8% that it is stated to be. The present calculation omits the cost of food, fuel, and housing/rent exspeses, where most of us are feeling it the hardest.
The Fed started raising intrest rates from 0% to so far about 5% or so today and what they do in the next adjustment coming soon is unsure. Speculation says perhaps another 25 basis points or no change at all. No change would indicate a pivot in their strategy to cool off Inflation. To be effective, interest rates would have to exceed the rate of inflation to bring things under control. And that would have to be above the actual rate of about 15% not the newly invented rate calculation of 6%. That is the only way to reverse the current trend and you can bet that is not going to happen
The recent collapse of SVB, highly invested in tech, Signature Bank, highly invested in crypto, and Silvergate Bank all within the same week were directly tied to the increase of intrest rates by the Fed. SVB and Sinature Bank being the 2nd and 3rd largest banks to fail in US history respectively.
These banks held a vast majority of their assets invested in long term govt. bonds paying about 3%. Once the Fed rate exceeded 3%, they were underwater. When depositors realized this they began pulling their deposit, a run on the banks.
The banks had to dump their bonds at a loss to cover the demand as none of them had sufficient, if any, reserve to cover withdrawals. Thus became insolvent.
Keep in mind that there are hundreds of banks nationwide in the same situation. Not just the big banks but all the way down to your local and regional banks.
The government bailed out SVB & Signature Bank whom both had uninsured deposits of more than 98% in the case of SVB.
Remember, SVB (tech loans), Signature (crypto loans).
The government will not be bailing out the smaller banks.
They will use a bail in to remain solvent if need be. That is they will use depositors funds to remain afloat. Your money! How many will be able to stay afloat remains to be seen.
Consequently, my most recent order from SD Bullion has been delayed for three weeks! The CEO has informed customers that this situation seems to have been a direct result of the present banking crisis in an unprecedented increase of orders for physical product and not having the staff to fill orders in a timely manner. They have had to increase their staff to do so. And as a result have temporarily increased their minimum purchase to $500.
Continuing to raise intrest rates will only exacerbate the problem and reversing course back down on the rates will lead to hyperinflation. A lose lose situation for our economy. The proverbial can can no longer get kicked down the road at this point.
Next, one must consider the global situation. Consider that during the last 18 months or so the COMEX and the LBME have experienced the highest demand for physical gold and silver delivery since their inception. Their vaults are being rapidly depleted. Where is it going to?
At the same time, Russia, China, and India have been stockpiling PM's at a tremendous rate. Why?
Nations around the globe are increasingly expanding the BRICS. China has just received its first delivery of LNG paid for in Yuan. The leaders of China and Russia recently held a summit to discuss methods to replace the US $ as the world reserve currency. Russia has accepted payment for fossil fuels to India in rupees. Saudia Arabia has recently announced accepting other currency as payment for fossil fuels. China is already using a centralized crypto currency backed by the Yuan which they are planning to back with commodities such as gold. To do so the price of gold would have to be adjusted maybe 100x higher or so. Whom ever has the most of it can determine its price. All of those Paper contracts will not control the price any longer.
All of the cards are falling in place to remove the US $ as the reserve currency. When this happens none of these nations will have to hold on to US $'s which are mostly held in US Treasury Bonds. When these nations dump these bonds and they flood back into our economy the results will be devastating. Again, hyperinflation. Remember the Weimar Republic. And yet the Fed continues QE to the tune of billions and billions of dollars backed only by the full faith and trust of those dollars.
In conclusion, the collapse of the US $ seems inevitable and rapidly approaching. Plans are already in motion to replace the dollar with a CBDC that will be completely in control of the govt. How much you can spend and where you spend it will not be your choice and can be turned on and off with the click of a button. One of the obstacles to full implantation of a CBDC is the transition process complicated by an across the board acceptance of all of the banks and financial institutions getting on board with its inception. The best way to bring it about is to eliminate all of these banks and institutions and convert to a handful of centralized banks controlled by the Fed such as SVB heavily invested in tech companies that would be needed to develop the CBDC, and Signature Bank heavily in invested in crypto start ups, both institutions that are now under control of and indebted to the Fed. Go figure.
So the bottom line becomes, will there be any dollars for you to exchange for PM's 10 years from now? Things are rapidly changing world wide and we are here to witness it in our lifetime.
Scoop up all the PM's you can afford when you can. Hold on to it. And who knows, maybe 10 yrs from now you may be able to purchase that house with 4 silver dollars, if it avoids confiscation.
Just my humble opinion and a little food for thought.
I'll save my opinions on the stock market for another day.


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 Posted 04/02/2023  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list
We "stack" silver as well, tubes, etc. Last week when silver jumped up a touch we took a tube of 20 silver rounds (Buffalo/Indians) to our local dealer. The rounds were purchased several years ago when silver was low. He traded those for 16 misc. dated BU Silver Eagles. A few more and we'll have another tube of silver eagles instead of silver rounds. We're not in a hurry to fill the tubes. Good trade or not?

This has been a very informative topic!
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04/02/2023 11:48 am
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 Posted 04/02/2023  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list
Vast majority of my investments are in this order:

1) S&P 500 low cost mutual funds (~35%)
2) small capital low cost mutual funds (~20%)
3) real estate funds (~15%) (note I only put 10% into re but it's done very well last 3 years)
4) fixed rate/annuity (20%) this includes annuities, bond funds and fixed rate funds)
5) cash/saving (9%)
6) bullion and coins (1%)

But if you take bullion and coins as a %of cash it's about 10%. Even the bullion, over 50% in value is graded (so not really a stacker). The vast majority of savings is being built up for retirement while the cash and bullion are for emergency needs. In case of a shtf we own out home and live debt free.

On average since I was 25, my average return has been 8% including the 20-23 current market. Taking out all the dips/highs and averaging the cost over the years Silver over 25 years has just kept up with inflation, so if you purchased an ounce in the 1990's it's cost today is actually slightly lower in 2023 $ compared to the 1990's.

But your question is should I stack silver, yes as part of a long term financial plan you should stack precious metals, but it should not be your only investment.

Being debt free is much more important than hoarding bullion. Just my $2 silver dollars.
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04/02/2023 12:29 pm
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 Posted 04/02/2023  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list
@dsking, Some prefer Silver Eagles over silver rounds and vise versa. I have some of both. Everyone stacks what they want. Years from now I don't know which will be the best strategy. In an economic crisis Silver Eagles may be more recognized, accepted for trade/barter. But there's so many fake Silver Eagles people may want to test no matter what type it is. Here's a YouTuber Silver Seeker that did some math, shows having more ounces by buying rounds. Having more ounces seems like a good thing.

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04/02/2023 7:13 pm
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 Posted 04/02/2023  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list
@Dowhat, I agree with much of what you said. I have a 1885 set of Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 5 volumes. Someday an author may write a similar work for the USA if things don't change, sad.
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 Posted 04/02/2023  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list
Very good and informative video livingwater...thank you very much for posting it.

We have a strong coin collection. The particular tube of rounds that we traded were purchased in the early 2000's so the trade was actually quite lucrative. Silver would have to drop to about $4.50 an ounce for us to lose with the ASE's.

I'm confident that if we desire to sell our coins in the distant future we'll do quite nicely. As of now the coins are a liquid asset.

The ASE's that we traded for are quite genuine. Our dealer opened a new 20 pc. mint tube in front of us and any purchase that we make come from genuine and honest long-time dealers. We do not do e-bay.

Again, thank you for posting the article, it helps to get a different perspective.

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@livingwater - Silver Seeker's spreadsheet comparing generic vs ASEs is so well done. It's hard to ignore the math if you're trying to stack ounces. I have never owned more than 20 or so ASEs at any given time and don't plan to. I tend to look mostly for the best deals while still maintaining some diversification in what I buy/hold.
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