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New Bipartisan Bill Would Let The US Mint Alter The Metal Content Of Coins To Save Money

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 Posted 04/28/2023  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cointree to your friends list

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Get rid of the penny, nickel and quarter, change the dime, half and dollar to plated steel and reduce the size/weight of the half and dollar coins.

I like that idea. Or drop the plating and just use a cheap metal/alloy that won't rust or corrode.
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 Posted 04/28/2023  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list
I'd like to round any total over $1 to the nearest quarter, except rounding is mucked up by arcane state laws. For example, New Jersey requires sellers to round to the nearest cent when calculating sales tax, per their site https://www.state.nj.us/treasury/ta...thetax.shtml It seems reasonable to me for a seller to round and pay any sales tax difference out of his pocket, except you know someone will challenge that in court, and the outdated laws will support them.
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 Posted 04/28/2023  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HondoB to your friends list
I shudder to think of them inflicting something more abysmal than the zincoln on us. I'll stop using cash entirely at that point.
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 Posted 04/28/2023  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list
Did you get a chance to read the prior summary I put earlier in the thread that one of the potential metallic alternatives is ready for implementation just pending congressional authorization to do so? To add some more info not in there, the alternative is referenced as 80/20. The alternative is a seamless variant to the present 75 percent copper, 25 percent nickel alloy used for the 5-cent coin and as the cladding for the dime, quarter dollar, and the Kennedy half dollar, but the 80/20 uses more copper, less nickel and adds manganese. The 80/20 composition is actually 77 percent copper, 20 percent nickel and 3 percent manganese from what I read as some might want to know. Seamless means substitutions that would require little or no modification to coin-accepting equipment. So hope that is helpful info.

And unfortunately they found nothing apparently that would lower the cost of the cent. @Hondo, U.S. Mint researchers identified a copper-plated steel cent as an alternative to the copper-plated zinc cent. The option would be seamless, with the same dimensions and weight as the current cent, but a different electromagnetic signature

Another wildcard is that EU tags copper and nickel as strategic metals and pushing for zinc. The Critical Raw Materials Act (CRMA) unveiled by the European Union adds the two major industrial metals to a list that had previously focused on more niche minerals such as cobalt, lithium and rare earths. Copper is used in renewable energy systems and for wiring in electric vehicles (EVs) while nickel is a major component in many EV batteries. https://www.mining.com/web/eu-tags-...-wants-more/ and https://copperalliance.org/wp-conte...ials-Act.pdf
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 Posted 04/28/2023  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Good discussion, datadragon.
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 Posted 04/28/2023  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list
that 80/20 seems like a lot of fuss for such a small change in copper and nickel percentages

re changing the cent's core to steel, are there machines other than Coinstar and bank coin counters that still accept cents? heck, even those penny gumball machines disappeared decades ago
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 Posted 04/29/2023  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list
Thanks @ijn1944, same for you


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that 80/20 seems like a lot of fuss for such a small change in copper and nickel percentages


Seems that way, but they are reporting that based on 2022 volumes, the mint estimates the savings would add up - $12 million to $51 million annually potentially with minimal impact such as the vending machines. https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...-mint-choice It is part of a renewed effort to give the mint the authority to switch to using cheaper metal contents for making coins which could allow other changes based on the ongoing research. Its actually a big deal to coin enthusiasts since most of the USA coinage would change composition.

Also there are possibilities for off metal errors and varieties. collectors may see a repeat of the 1982 scenario where there were several different seemingly alike Lincoln cents to be collected due to mid-year changes in metal composition as noted here https://www.numismaticnews.net/us-c...o-our-change
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I'd like to round any total over $1 to the nearest quarter, except rounding is mucked up by arcane state laws. For example, New Jersey requires sellers to round to the nearest cent when calculating sales tax...
Federal law always supersedes state law. If the Federal government nixes everything below the quarter, then NJ has no choice but to round cash sales to the quarter (electronic sales can still go to the cent).
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There are House and Senate bills, if passed, would allow the US Mint to change the composition of circulating coins.

I know that for years -- decades in fact -- the US Mint has sought affordable ways to change the composition of Lincoln pennies. The US Mint has explored steel and aluminum -- without success. Is there any metal/substance that the US Mint could use to keep the cost of minting pennies to less than 1 cent per piece? Other than steel or aluminum, I can think of only iron and plastic/polymers....
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 Posted 05/08/2023  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
@hid, as the topic of your recent thread was already being covered here, I've merged your thread with the older one.

I look forward to continued discussion!
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Digital currency is coming whether we like it or not. This could be a prelude to that happening en masse.
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Is there any metal/substance that the US Mint could use to keep the cost of minting pennies to less than 1 cent per piece?
No.

Cost is already over one cent per cent even before adding the cost of the current copper plated zinc blanks.
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 Posted 05/08/2023  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
Redenomination is another option.
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Redenomination is another option.
Or just make the dime the "new cent" symbolically.

Get rid of the dollar notes and the dollar coins can be the new dime.
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