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So What Do You Think Of NGCx?

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 Posted 11/23/2024  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Thanks, @nfine. Boy I don't like the feel of this.
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 Posted 11/23/2024  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list

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There is no difference in quality between a grade on the NGCX 10-point grading scale and a grade on the 70-point scale. On the NGCX scale, 10 is the supreme grade, equivalent to a 70 on the traditional scale. The subsequent grades cascade from 10, a criterion understood by all.


If they claim it's the same, then why bother with this new scale?
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 Posted 11/23/2024  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list

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If they claim it's the same, then why bother with this new scale?


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I clearly do not understand this X-box thing and would appreciate a succinct explanation from someone.

The 70-point grading scale for coins isn't going anywhere, same as always submitting to NGC. Rather, NGC recognized an opportunity to bring in new collectors to the hobby (more approachable to more people) - NGCX makes it easier than ever for collectors of comics, trading cards, sports cards and other collectibles graded on a 10-point scale to expand their interest potentially over to coins. Most collectors of other tangible assets like cards and comics are already familiar with the 10-point Scale which is why it was attempted to use that vs a more techy 70 point scale. The Scale is more intuitive for many people and simplifies transitioning to coins. The new Scale should invite new people into the market, increasing the demand for coins. Increased demand should translate to higher prices. When the new Scale becomes widespread, and a wave of investors enters the market, many existing coin investors will be positioned nicely to recognize gains. (so they claim)

10=70, 9.9=69. Hmm, it is basically a marketing campaign. They are trying to more closely align with how grading works in other collectibles. So now a kid could get a comic book and coin both graded 10. Easy to understand for newbies, might bring in new younger collectors. However, this program is only for coins going out to partner companies, the public will not be able to submit to NGCX early on. Of course, if it is popular, that may change.
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 Posted 11/23/2024  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list
There was a separate registry promised for NGCx coins. Just wondering if they actually delivered or if it is still in the works.
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 Posted 11/23/2024  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
About the only people who have used NGCX are

* VaultBox
* Some bullion sellers
* A few Chinese sellers

I've seen almost nothing else using the new scale. They still have not opened submissions to ordinary shrubs, it's bulk and special label customersonly.
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 Posted 11/23/2024  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
It was a 1909s Lincoln Cent in an NGCx slab that said 1909s Indian cent.
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 Posted 11/23/2024  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list
To me, as someone that doesn't really use Sheldon, the new scale makes more sense. Sheldon is supposed to be a 70 point scale, but from what I see it only uses 29 numbers, so what's the point. The NGCx scale has half ratings on lower numbers and 0.1 in the 9 to 10 range, so that is 29 ratings in total.
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 Posted 11/24/2024  01:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marv65 to your friends list

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It was a 1909s Lincoln Cent in an NGCx slab that said 1909s Indian cent.

Oh,
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 Posted 11/24/2024  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cptbilly to your friends list
Have seen ASE's with the NGCx slabs here and there on ebay. If I was looking to buy a particular coin and found it available in either an "NGCx 10" or an "NGC MS70", I would take a pass on the "x" version.

@datadragon: Thank you for the analysis.
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 Posted 11/24/2024  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
triggersmob recall the origin of the Sheldon scale.

It was not a general-purpose grading scale; it was based on the relative pricing of a single variety: If a coin in the basal, poorest recognizable state was worth one unit, a coin in Fair was worth two units, a coin in Good was worth 4, etc.
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 Posted 11/24/2024  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list
Not a fan. The Sheldon scale is what numismatists are used to.
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 Posted 11/25/2024  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
It is way too late to try this now. The 10-point scale is something they should have used in the very beginning, not forty years later. Back then, they could have just mapped the ten points to the named grades (poor, fair, about good, good, very good, fine, very fine, extremely fine, about uncirculated, uncirculated) and everyone would be used to it by now.
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I suppose there could be value in a 10-point scale when you are describing MS coins, but once you fall below those tiers, the 10-point scale is overkill. I will stick with what I know - the Sheldon scale.
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I will stick with what I know - the Sheldon scale.
Yup. Like I said, forty years too late to try to change it now.
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 Posted 11/25/2024  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list

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Yup. Like I said, forty years too late to try to change it now.

Hi JBuck.... Yes but as in my reply above the 70-point grading scale for coins isn't going anywhere, same as always submitting to NGC. Rather, NGC simply recognized an opportunity to bring in possible new collectors to the hobby (more approachable to more people) - NGCX makes it easier than ever for collectors of comics, trading cards, sports cards and other collectibles graded on a 10-point scale to expand their interest potentially over to coins. Most collectors of other tangible assets like cards and comics are already familiar with the 10-point Scale which is why it was attempted to use that vs a more techy 70 point scale. The Scale is more intuitive for many people and simplifies transitioning to coins. The new Scale should invite new people into the market, increasing the demand for coins. Remember these are being used mainly by dealers/partners and not general collectors like on this forum submitting them to NGCX so it wasnt intended to replace the other scale.
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