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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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Kidcoin1's tone was unnecessarily sarcastic, and I think biokemist6 sums up the grading standard issue to a tee. If Kidcoin1 is someone inexperienced in coins, then they have no right to have such a self assured tone when a lot of his remarks are clearly way off. I'd say your response was appropriate.
www.kingstoncoincompany.co.uk
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New Member
Switzerland
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Grading is without a doubt a very difficult task and the difficulty increases when the coin is older. I would say you were straight forward and explained yourself well.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Well I'm glad that I was right in what I said.
Now I just need a few of you to bid up the coin!!
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Valued Member
United States
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Age does change grading standards when you are talking about a coin struck on an 18th century screw press with human or horse power. You cannot compare it to the strike quality of more modern steam or electric powered presses and strike quality plays a huge role in grading. Not to hijack the thread, but it's part of the discussion, so I have a question. When I posted earlier, I was at my desk, bored because it was a slow day. Now I'm home, still bored, but next to my copy of the ANA Grading Standards. While I understand that strike quality affects value, nowhere in the book does it say that strike quality affects the grade. I actually looked at the standards specific to the coin in question, and it does not mention the strength or weakness of the strike in determining the grade. Grade, as I read the book, is based on wear and damage. Please, let me know if I'm reading this wrong. I'm trying to learn, just like everybody else. |
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United States
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I don't think you were too harsh either and I like the coin and would bid on it except I've already blown my August budget. Good luck with it. I also agree that recommending he join the CCF would be a good education for him.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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You are correct in stating that strike quality will not directly affect the grade but it can indirectly affect it by causing someone to misgrade a coin in a negative way and not take the entire coin into consideration. These early date coins also had another strike against them- the dies were hand engraved and hand punched so there was a tremendous amount of variation in the design from die to die. I am glad you mentioned that you have a copy of the ANA Grading Standards, every collector should have it in their numismatic library  The beginning sections make for excellent reading and help to give insight into the skill of coin grading. The pages relevant to this discussion are pgs. 20-22 with particular attention paid to the last paragraph on pg 22. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Remember, there's one in every crowd.
The person seemed to simply want to argue your interpretation of the grade, and a misreading of your words, and in a snide manner. Your response was to the point, and not at all mean or nasty. You held your tongue, so to speak, well.
True enough though, the formation of the words could lead one, who is so disposed, to read them in a context not intended. "Very conservative Good" is not a grade, and I would not read those words as such. But I can see how "someone" would. Of course, when I want to, I can read the word "No" and get "Yes" out of it!
Steve
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Valued Member
United States
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the ANA Grading Standards (6th edition) is a must for any collector, yet I was disappointed in the fact there are so few pages of info vs the size of the book yes the facts are there, but I was hoping for 2-300 pages of reading material don't get me wrong, I'm glad I bought it  |
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Valued Member
United States
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Quote:You are correct in stating that strike quality will not directly affect the grade but it can indirectly affect it by causing someone to misgrade a coin in a negative way and not take the entire coin into consideration. These early date coins also had another strike against them- the dies were hand engraved and hand punched so there was a tremendous amount of variation in the design from die to die. I am glad you mentioned that you have a copy of the ANA Grading Standards, every collector should have it in their numismatic library The beginning sections make for excellent reading and help to give insight into the skill of coin grading. The pages relevant to this discussion are pgs. 20-22 with particular attention paid to the last paragraph on pg 22. I re-read the section you mention, and I understand what you're saying, but we're not talking about a mint state coin here. It does say, in effect, that weakness of the strike can affect a grade in a mint state coin, but in a negative way. It does not mention improving the grade because of the weak strike, which is what the OP implied earlier in the thread ("Third, because this coin is older the grading standard is a little lower putting this at a Good") If you read the section on the Draped Bust Dollar (pages 252-255) it does mention in the last paragraph (as it does for ALL coins minted during this time period) about "Nearly all coins minted before 1836 have weak spots other than those noted, and are sometimes alternately graded on the basis of eye appeal, strike, and surface quality." This now makes it VERY subjective, open to interpretation. Opinions will always vary. Comparing the ebay photos to those in the book, and considering the rim damage, the coin (in my non-expert opinion) falls somewhere between AG and G. But this would be simply my interpretation of the guidelines. I am sure others will disagree. Is this what is meant by "VERY conservative GOOD"? Did he mean that the coin was very good, or is it just below Good, or it did it just make the grade at Good? See where this can be a little misleading? I'm referring to someone reading the ad for the first time, I know he explained himself here. Given the vast number of people who frequent ebay, and the number of scams that populate that site, you should expect that some smart-*** is going to comment. This is why I don't do ebay. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I just did a quick perusal of the Heritage Auctions archives and I believe this coin would grade G4-G6 Details and IMO should be priced between G4 and AG3 to account for the rim dings. Grading this coin is waaay out of my comfort zone so I base the grade on the appearance of the other TPG coins with assigned grades but it appears that the specific Bolender number can cause quite a bit of variation in the overall appearance as judged by the following three coins with different B numbers. This G6 is a close match to the OPs coin. this G6 has better central detail but the obv dentils, date, and LIBERTY are weak. This G4 Details coin has a very weak center with a stronger periphery. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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My wife, due to her age, now beomes an "8"?  just kidding  |
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New Member
United States
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Your ok, just don't get drawn into a online argument. Ignore any future messages he might send you.
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 United States
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Remember, grading is a subjective thing unless you are SGS where every coin has to be MS70 :P
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Pillar of the Community
United States
797 Posts |
I don't think you were too harsh. The emailer kind of set the tone with the whole "I got a bridge to sell ya" thing. It would be one thing to kindly ask how you arrived at your grade or something to that effect, but as soon as somebody goes on the sarcasm/call-out tone, then a little harshness might be warranted.
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