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Pillar of the Community
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If you're talking about a prisoner cent, that's caused by a really nice die clash where the memorial looks to have Abe behind bars. Check out how heavily they polished the dies trying to get rid of it.   
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That's a nice clash cladhunter!  Glad you got to it before they did!
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Oh wow, this is too funny. It's the "prisoner" ones I was trying to think of. Been thinking too much of the problem neighbors who've been hauled off to jail sometimes I guess  So "prisoner cents" it correct, "jailhouse" wrong. Oopsie sorry folks!  Thanks a lot for posting the images Scooby and Cladhunter! Exactly the kinds of images I was hoping to find. I have a 1970 D that has quite a bit of damage on it, but also has some interesting bits to it, similar to those prisoner cents and that Feeder Finger Damage one mentioned. I'm trying to figure out what I have on this coin. Its too bad I'm not able to really catch the clashes properly to see them clearly when I scan the coin. I've played lots with many MANY scans at variations of brightness and contrast and just can't catch this stuff right, Nor the lettering/numbers as theres something up with the words and date too. Not sure if its DD, MD, damage or a combination of all three. Because of the clash marks I'm thinking theres more going on with the devices than damage, but date and almost all letters of words are mushy and weird and I think indicated MD or DD. I'll play some more because I really do want to post images. I realize damaged coins aren't collectible, but this might be a good one for discussion and learning I thought.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for the great images. My first response when I saw all the photos was "Ask and ye shall receive ... CCF style inundation" I love CCF!!!
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for that thread link Scooby. Very informative!
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Pillar of the Community
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Try taking pics & angle the camera or coin under light. Scans don't really help much. JMO.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Here is where to look for clash affects. They will be in the fields as an out line of the opposite die outlines of the devices.  deeper devices are not affected during the clashes. Just the areas of the field and the outlines of the devices. Hope this helps?
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Pillar of the Community
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Chris, thanks. I don't have anything except the scanner to work with for images and can't see that changing any time soon though so will have to make do. Meanwhile, my loupe should arrive by next week and I'm hoping to see better details to at least describe them better.
Coop, thanks a lot for that overlay. Thats a nice big image for reference. As ever, love your helpful photos that you post for us!
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New Member
United States
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I think this is what you are looking for! 
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks Pocorojo, and  to the forum! This is a great community and lots of fun too!
Edited by Dottir 03/02/2011 9:09 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Here are a few feed finger damage on the dies.  
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks again Coop. Those photos are good! Really helps me to try identify finger feeder marks  The coin I posted, around the end of LIBERTY and all the way to the back profile of Abe, looks more like die clash designs/shapes, as opposed to the kind of haphazard shapes (no designs at all actually!!) of feeder finger problems. Boy, there sure are a lot of different kinds of effects on coins from different processes or tools in minting! I guess wisdom comes with age and experience in identifying them all. I'll learn 
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Dottir, I have an LMC such as your photos... in that I can see 'non random' what would seem to be 'machine' marks with a lens, but photography illudes me. Which raises the question of what to do about such coins... how 'strong' does it need to be in order to be considered an authentic example? (A stab at answering my own question) I suppose it is a matter of degree. The stonger the effect, the more valuable the coin? ......... Gee, I hope I held back the coin I am talking about... want to take a second look.
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Pillar of the Community
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Hi Changeless I'm at the kindergarten, maybe even the daycare level!! of this whole coins learning and have a long way to go before I "knows stuff" about degrees and values of anything. I wouldn't even try to grade or value a coin at this point because I feel I'm not even close to knowing anything yet. I'm sure I'm here for the longhaul though with coins and in this forum and will know a lot one day. I hope you find your coin!
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