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Sealing Flips

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Bedrock of the Community
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 Posted 05/15/2011  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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As for using tape, my question is how does it look over time when dries up? Does it not discolour? I have seen some coin flips that have an adhesive pre applied so all you have to do is fold them. I do not use them because they are expensive. I believe they are made by Lighthouse and you can find them on line. What I would like to see in the future is white coloured staples. I would pay extra for them and I do think they would look a lot better than regular staples on coin flips.


Interesting points. I have been using 3M tape for many years now and so far, no change in clarity or color. I too have seen old tapes on items that have turned a horrible brownish but so far not this type.
Now I do like your suggestion of white staples. If it's something that bothers you to see metalic staples in your white flips, you might try covering them with WhiteOut. It is available at any office supply store. HOEVER, I would first contact the manufacturer to see if there is any harmfull fumes emitted during the drying period. WhiteOut, once try is really dry.
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 Posted 05/15/2011  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mr_hippie to your friends list
I also like the clean look of clear tape without staples to seal cardboard/mylar flips. So far no problems with discoloration of tape or coins. With the right size flips, no problems with coins moving in the flips either.
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 Posted 05/16/2011  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StormStrikes to your friends list
just carl, I got another question for you. Do you have any pictures of your flips using the tape? I just want to have some sort of visual guide to go by I guess. Also, do you put your tape around the flip in one uninterrupted piece or do you just tape each of the three sided individually?
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 Posted 05/16/2011  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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just carl, I got another question for you. Do you have any pictures of your flips using the tape? I just want to have some sort of visual guide to go by I guess. Also, do you put your tape around the flip in one uninterrupted piece or do you just tape each of the three sided individually?


Really good quesetion since I seldom photo any of my collections at all. Only recently I've taken some of the more expensive coins in Albums but normally I never photo coins at all.
However, you made me think. What if something ever happened to the collection? Who would believe what was there? With over 100 Albums alone, why would anyone believe that if no proof? Most are in 5 different safe deposit boxes so not an easy task to photo them.
So today I think I'll start taking some of those photos.
Another interesting note. I do put the tape on each side one piece at a time. This means that the very ends are not really sealed at the corners. I never thought of that before and now just one more new problem. It appears that there is always just one more way of things to get to our coins.
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 Posted 05/16/2011  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StormStrikes to your friends list
I experimented last night after getting home from work with just one continuous piece of tape. I was able to do it, then taking an exacto knife and cutting a slit in the tape at the corners, roughly a millimeter above the flip (so it would seal the corners) and then folding the tape down. It worked rather well. It is additional time in getting it all taken care of but that part I dont mind when it comes to my coins. I was using 3/4" wide tape, so it would work on just about everything except the larger coins and perhaps would require a little more attention to precision on coins like the half dollars, otherwise the tape hangs over a bit into the viewing window for the coin. But I think using 1/2" wide tape would solve that and then using 2-1/2" sized flips with that would solve everything else.

I was looking at CoinEdge holders last night as well and that could be an alternative, but I know nothing about those, so I may just order a couple of them and see what they look like, how big they are and so on.

Also, I have not taken any photos of my coins either. Though it is on the agenda to get done. I've been working on modifying a spreadsheet to keep track of everything and I plan on taking detailed pictures as soon as I can if for nothing else other than insurance purposes. My collection isn't as large as yours by any stretch, but I would like to have some kind of written and visual record of what I have.
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 Posted 05/16/2011  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list
I use the self-adhesive 2x2s most of the time now. They're easy to use and very fast. You can check out some here: http://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/lig...oin-holders/ but if you get interested in trying some, I'd shop around a bit.

There's another brand I tried that did not hold together, so I stick with Lighthouse.
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 Posted 05/16/2011  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StormStrikes to your friends list
A few years ago I bought some newer coins that were shipped to me in those self-adhesive holders and when I got them I was unaware that they were available and thought it was a neat idea so I just left the coins in those holders. Down the road, I dont know exactly how long, I was rummaging through my coins and noticed them again and the coins had turned some, tarnished I guess you would say. It was quite noticeable. Now, I cant say with any amount of certainty that the self-adhesive flips were the issue, but it set the issue in my mind and I've stayed away from them.

When I started buying coins again this year, once again I was going through what I had to see what I needed and those same holders had begun to separate. It didnt look like they had tarnished anymore but adhesive was definitely failing. So while I'm sure they have worked well for others for long periods of time, my experience with them has not faired so well.
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 Posted 05/16/2011  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list

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The 2x2's were made to be used with staples. I don't see why they would not be air tight.

There is no way a staple will make a 2x2 air tight, the only way anything can be air tight is if it is sealed 360 degrees around the the item and a staple has never been made to keep air out or in. Something that is air tight is also water tight, so do you think a staple will keep water or moisture from entering anything that is stapled together? Most slabs aren't even air or water tight, they may have to have air forced into them with pressure but it is possible to get air in the slabs. That is how the cases where people have toned coins in their slabs did it, they forced chemicals into the slab by pressure and the coins toned in the slab
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 Posted 05/16/2011  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The_Duke to your friends list
Air tight implies a degree of hermeticity. A hermetic seal is the quality of being airtight. In common usage, the term often implies being impervious to air or gas. The degree of "imperviousness" is subject to various test methods and specifications.

Note the effort required to seal something very valuable and important:

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Hermetic sealing for airtight conditions is used in archiving significant historical items. In 1951, The U.S. Constitution, U.S. Declaration of Independence and U.S. Bill of Rights were hermetically sealed with helium gas in glass cases housed in the U.S. National Archives in Washington, DC. In 2003, they were moved to new glass cases hermetically sealed with argon.


While it is a nice thought to "seal" 2x2s, it really can't be done with the materials of a 2x2. I'm content with staples holding it closed, the coins not sloshing about and having a nice white surface to write on.
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 Posted 05/16/2011  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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My collection isn't as large as yours by any stretch, but I would like to have some kind of written and visual record of what I have.

Put 2x2s in 20 pocket pages, scan each page.
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 Posted 05/16/2011  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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I plan on taking detailed pictures as soon as I can if for nothing else other than insurance purposes.

Unless you have a (usually expensive, if available at all) rider on your homeowner's policy, you can forget about insurance for your collection.
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 Posted 05/16/2011  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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There's another brand I tried that did not hold together, so I stick with Lighthouse.

Hudgeon ez-seals are awkward. Instead of the mylar covering the entire 2x2, it comes as two pieces, so you have to juggle two pieces of mylar, the codbod and the coin. Hopefully, you don't have the mylar-coin-mylar sandwich shift after you get the stack centered and close the 2x2.
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 Posted 05/16/2011  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StormStrikes to your friends list

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Put 2x2s in 20 pocket pages, scan each page


Can you get enough detail using that method for insurance purposes?
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 Posted 05/16/2011  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
Sure, with any decent scanner. A bigger problem is finding coverage.
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 Posted 05/17/2011  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
I've been using an Excel spreadsheet to documet all my coins for a long time now. At first a column for just about everything. Then one day I realized it really ment nothing to anyone else since without the actual coins there, the spreadsheet could be just a list of anything. I still keep a limited list of most coins but now really cut down to basics and only for my records. Putting anything else on such a list would be just added information and with excessive amounts of coins in a collection, who would know what goes with what.
For example I have 9 of those 2 row Whitman Red Boxes full of 2x2's. All taped so no staples to catch on anything. For records I just count the amount of Cents, Nickels, etc. and list by quantities. Of all of the ones in those boxes I've never seen any changes in toning, tarnishing, corroding, staining or anything else. So Far.
One of the better things about taping a 2x2 shut is the simplicity in opening one. Just slit with a knife and POOF, its open and no little pieces of staples laying around. Also, easy to reuse since no tears from a staple ripped out.
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